What I do? You mean play games on all consoles to get the best of gaming?

I see what you do, spending all your time in the sony threads...

Anyway, this debate is stupid. Going to end with my opinion.

Based off that video, it looked like a complete rip off from Mario Kart 7. Yes to be fair it's hard to diversify in this subgenre which Nintendo created, and create, play, share, is a unique twist off Nintendo's subgenre, but still.

I wish Sony made this more unique, just like how Chocobo Racing, Diddy Kong Racing, and if you count it Trackmania are drastically different from Mario Kart.

You don't have to agree, and really there is no point trying to change my opinion, it's just the way it is. Sony makes a lot of unique ideas, this to me, just isn't one of them.

i love how Sony brings their unique play create and share idea to all sorts of genres making it better then any other cart racer out there!

lol I'm not even gonna even bother with u nymre, there's a good chance I play on more consoles than you at this point..but meh you are not worth my time.

I agree you probably play more on consoles then me, but you mostly stick to one.

I have every Nintendo, Sega (except Saturn and handhelds), Sony and Microsoft console, or at least access to the library 360 plays XB1 games). I also have every pre 8th gen Nintendo/Sony handheldhandheld, even a G&W.

Diversity is when you see fanboys stick out (not calling anyone names, just saying you can easily tell when people play most of their games on 1 console).

it's rather apparent you don't know much about me..almost to the level of not knowing about the games you talk about

and lol at the last line, oh the irony

now if you could please, stick to the topic? I'm trying 'not' to talk to you here..help me out why won't ya?

Sure, but I do know that I've never seen you critisize a PS3 exclusive (but seen you critisize 360 ones) and never seen you give a Wii or 360 game a compliment. Also by exclusive count, I have less exclusives for 360 and PS3 then I do for Wii.

oh lol , you keep proving my point to enditall, word to word. and about the criticizm bit, again shows how little you know of what you talk about, in any topic. I have criticized games on all consoles, and have complimented games on all consoles. Anywho think what you must, I have aided your pointleess whining, rants and derailment for long enough.

Aww, how cute ;)

now you are trying to  play the victim role and are also trying to back out of your agenda =D

like you are this helpless victim that has been backed into a corner by the BIG BAD PLAYSTATION fans LMAO!!

oh but but but its just my opinion




You clearly misunderstood me for the Play, Creat Share concept.

oh no no no dont even try it.

I understood it pretty clearly. Anybody with a brain can see that you were blatantly trying to say that Sony copied Nintendo with their Play, Create, Share genre




I am refering to Kart racing in general (Nintendo made it big with Mario Kart) and this idea is Sony's unique twist off Kart Racing (i.e. what makes LBP racing look different to Mario Kart. Hence a unique twist off Nintendo's Idea. Didn't dodge anything, and I'm being as clear as I can about this

now you are just struggling to make sense LOL

i just have to say that what you said MAKES NO FREAKING SENSE!!

Nintendo made the Kart racing part of the racing genre big with Mario Kart and Sony made the Play, Create Share genre big with the 1st Little Big Planet(which was NOT a Kart racing game)


so what the hell does the Play, Create, Share genres being started have to do with Kart Racing?

let me answer that for you so you dont dodge this question

IT HAS NOTHING to do with it. You just simply dont know what the hell you are talking about which further proves that your opinions have no backbones

like i said before, an opinion without a back bone is what i like to call "they dont know what the fuck they are talking about"



Why do you refer to that drift boost mechanic in Mario Kart as a Manual Speed Boost? It's so confusing. Anyway.

idk, that's just what i always called it


I never said MNR plays very very differently from Mario Kart

and i never said that you said it plays very very differently from Mario Kart 64, genious

now i think YOU need to reread what i said

i said that you "SHOULD" agree that MNR plays very very differently from Mario Kart 64 "ASWELL?"

go back and reread it right now.

dont worry, its still there, i didn't edit anything ;)

Diddy Kong Racing feels more like Mario Kart 64 than MNR does

MNR's controls and what not feel loose as hell compared to MK64 and any other Mario Kart game for that matter

and this LBPK game looks and sounds more like MNR than Mario Kart(besides other stuff like the laso and air tricks that were already in other Sony games)

that is why i asked that question



and yes LBP Kart isn't released yet, but like I said, from this video, it looks like a complete rip off. Where's the confusion?

the confusion is YOU

because you just simply dont know what you are talking about


CTR did create drift boosts, which MKDD copied, what's your point? I never said everything in Kart racing originated from Mario Kart. I only said I wish LBP was more original, something like CTR would have made a better game

how exactly do you know that it's NOT "more" original? the game hasn't released yet and we dont know anything else about the game that Sony will announce at E3 or before its release. I'm wondering exactly how much "more" original you think this game should be


LBP laso techniques could have been implemented in ways not identical to MK7. LBP had more then just swinging abilities with the laso

wait how exactly do you know that LBPKarting wont implement the laso technique in ways "not identical to MK7"? wow it sounds like you've played the game already LMAO!

i guess you convinced yourself that you played this game already and ACTUALLY know what you are talking about LMFAO

#DEAD XD XD XD


I'm really confused

yes you are, micheal

YES YOU ARE ;)


you read my very logical points, and just don't understand them.

Logical points??

oh you mean stuff like you saying --> "Also while I'm not a fan of CTR (It's like Mario Kart/Diddy Kong Racing with shortcuts (which suck)"

and later saying that shortcuts ruin games while not realising that you are also saying that MK64 and dkr are ruined games with that logic because they too have shortcuts

^^ this is the logic of Micheal-5 LMFAO


How do you not see the similarities and refuse to accept the game looks like a clone?

oh you mean with the stuff like you saying that LBPK is a clone because its karts are the same size as the karts in MK

and stuff like the LBPK being an MK clone because its Karts are too "similar" to MK's karts in your opinion?

lol

your opinions are like no other, Micheal-5


Are you just in denial, or just can't accept my opinion

i usually dont accept opinions that dont have backbones..

i accept logical opinions though =)




you don't have to think LBP Kart is a rip off of Mario Kart. I never told you to, I only said this looks like one. Why you're making this a big deal.... I dunno.



well you said --> This is the one part where I think LBP Kart is unique. The rest is a rip off.

let me repeat that last part 1 more time "The rest is a rip off" <-- you see that?

you're are just slowly trying to back out of your agenda here ;)



So.....every kart racer looks like the Mario Kart Formula Nintendo made?

now you are making an attempt to flip-the-script =D


let me make this clear. "Acceleration" and "cornering performance" did NOT originate in the "MK Formula" Nintendo made

acceleration and turning corners/corner performance have been in racing since the very start


^^this is the kind of logic i would expect from you

at this point, i wouldnt be surprised if you said "well MK used wheels on their karts in the nintendo formula so anything else with wheels is a copy/clone"


barrel scratching at its fucking finest LMAO


What about Diddy Kong Racing/Banjo Pilot, what about Chocobo Racing? Those games are drastically different in structure and gameplay....wow is everything just a Mario Kart clone to you to the point you can't tell them apart?


this is another continued attempt at trying to flip the script ;)


this is about acceleration and cornering performance, not "structure" and "gameplay"


nice try, Micheal-5 ;)


acceleration and cornering performance is unavoidable and is basically in every type of racing game



....scratching barrel.....then why does my opinion matter if everything is a rip off of the gameplay Nintendo started????????????.....barrel...explodes


LOL

i guess this was supposed to be the climax in your little attempt at flipping the script huh?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

XD XD XD my fucking ribs XD XD XD

rotflmao






You...need to re-read that. Chocobo Racing and DKC look very different from MK, where LBP Kart looks very similar. That's not at all what you interpreted

you just exposed another loophole here but i will keep quiet about it for now and save it for later ;)



Boost extendors are flight extendors. Mario Kart 7 is the only Kart racer to have them now (handgliders and submarines), and LBP Kart is copying that.....DKR and Crash never had this feature. Common, enough with the bs comments

i made up the word boost extendor when i forgot what the other 2 things you tsaid were called and now you are using it as if it was only this 1 thing asked

so you are obviously talking about the "boost turns" and "jump extendor" things right?oh ok

and so only 1 of these is kite things that make the cars float in MK7 right? oh ok

now what about the other thing? the kite/flight extendor is obviously only 1 of either the "boost turn" or "jump extendor" so what exactly would the other 1 be?


hehehe >=)


all that aside for 1 second though.

basically you are trying to say that Diddy Kong Racing and CTR dont look like Kart racing games?

you said --> "No they don't! Have you played Diddy Kong or Crash at all before? No bs replies, or I won't respond to you" <-- you said this as if CTR and DKR wouldn't be worthy enough to "look" like Kart games if they did not have the "boost turns" and "jump extendors"

this is exactly what you asked --> "Do all those games have boost turns and jump extendors?" <-- LOL you asked this as if they wouldn't still be racing games if they didn't have them

i payed attention as soon as you tried to wiggle off path with this but i just didn't want to say anything yet LMAO!




Laso's in LBP were used more to then just swing. in LBPK they are not, and only mimic the application of MK7

you said this as if it is a fact lol

you wouldn't know because they only showed little parts of the game in this trailer and you have not played the game yet so why act like this is a fact when it is just 1 of your no-backbone-having opinions?

;)


My opinion is a vast minority

yep because  so far you have proved that you really dont know what the hell you are talking about.;)


that's why Mario Kart, a game without many shortcuts

notice how you said "without many" LOL

MK still has shortcuts at the end of the day ;)


typically outsells every other Kart racer by huge margins?

and of course now you are attempting to bring sales in this lol

well that would be because the game is called >>>>>>MARIO<<<< Kart

i think it is safe to say that everybody should know that Mario has power and brand strength to sell like that

the attempted logic you are trying to push here is that Mario Kart sells that much because it is "without many" shortcuts LMFAO!!



Please, when you take your opinion and use it as fact (literally)....you just present no arguement


you are the same guy that tried to say that Sony copied Nintendo with the Play, Create, Share genre<-- you said this as if it was a fact and then tried to back out of that claim when i exposed that it was a lie LMAO





I expect a little intelligence here

i expected it from you and i damn sure didn't get it..


don't expand your opinion as the opinion of the majority.

you are the same guy that tried to expand your opinion as the majority opinion for Mario Kart fans thinking shortcuts ruin games LMAO!



Like I said I have never heard anyone say CTR is better then Mario Kart

you havn't????

well I'm not 1 to bring up reviews but GameStop said that CTR succeeded where similar games like Mega Man Battle & Chase, Bomberman Fantasy Race, Diddy Kong Racing, Chocobo Racing and Mario Kart had failed

CTR also had higher scores than MK64 on both Metacritic AND GameRankings

everybody that i knew(kids and adults) back then (when i was a kid in the 5th generation) who played both MK64 and CTR thought that CTR was better. I even remember some adults who STOPPED playing Mario Kart 64 when they discovered CTR. My uncle completely gave me Mario Kart 64 because he didnt play it anymore(that is how i got MK64) when he got CTR. we were kids back then so all the other kids i ever knew only really played Mario Kart 64 until they came to my house because that is what their parents would buy them(because they were kids and it was a mario game). when my friends came over they would always want to play CTR over MK64 EVERY SINGLE TIME because i had N64 and PS1. i only knew 1 other kid that had CTR but everybody had MK64 though. that was my experience


and I never heard anyone say shortcuts make the game

i never said that shortcuts make the game now did i?

making things up now are we michael?

and i never heard anyone complain that shortcuts ruin games ;)


If Shortcuts make the game, why don't games like Top Gear Overdrive and F.A.S.T. sell well?

here you are trying to run a mile with that "oh you said shortcuts make a game!!" sh!t that you pulled out of your ass LMAO

IRRELEVANT!

It's only ME who complains about shortcuts? I think it's only you who loves them so much

yes, it's only you and i wouldnt say i love them but i would be a liar like you if i said that i didn't use them though



Yep...arguement is over

good because you didn't prove a single point this whole discussion and you proved that you didn't know what you were talking about the whole time throughout this discussion ;)


Your opinion is valid as fact, and no one else in the world can have a different one.

no, my opinion just holds more weight than opinions without backbones like yours ;)



Forget Mario Kart sells to 1 in 3 Wii owners, it's got no backbone

WII? why do you keep bringing up the MKWII when it was mainly only about MK7 and MK64?

you know what? forget that i even asked...



Seriously I advise you read my post twice, you're merging separate arguements (LBPK and Sony smash Clone are separate arguements relating to separate points)

the last time i mentioned something about Sony Smash bros was in a comment like 4 pages ago LMFAO

get it together dude..

talked about and making brand new ones up, and at the same time ignoring my points all together

lol you must have looked in the mirror and wrote this about the person you saw LMFAO

you described yourself in this part



It's really a matter of opinion. I think LBP Kart is a big rip off of Mario Kart 7, not everyone will

i would agree with this if your opinions had backbones and you actually knew what you were talking about but ok..


On a separate note I think shortcuts ruin racing games, and like most people, I think Mario Kart is the best Kart racer around


you think Mario Kart(which has shortcuts) is the best racer around but yet you say that shortcuts ruin racing games?


^^^ more logic from Michael-5 LMAO!!!!



Feel free to have a different opinion, just don't say your opinions are facts

-_-

maybe you should take your own advice..

"When I refer to physics I am talking about game dynamics"

they aren't the same thing 

"pretty much irrelevant to the point, which was if i understand correctly you trying to give the impression that mario kart was the first racing game with air tricks which is nonsense

It's not, but it's implemented very differently from ATV Off-Road fury."

"it's not" pretty much all you needed to post the rest is irrelevant and atv off road is just one example there are several other games that had similar features before mario kart

"Sony's fighter is a close of Smash Bros."

not because of any gameplay, aesthetic, control or etc factors but simply because it may use sony's character lineup? lol whatever its pretty much pointless to argue over an unannounced game that may not even exist anyway

"Grappling hooks in LBPK are used only to swing the driver to cross a larger gap"

from my perspective making a statement like that is absurd, you claim that the grappling hooks are only used in one way in the game...

so, um how do you know that? are you privy to more information besides what has been released already and have a full list of all features from the game?

if not how could you possibly know?

" In LBP grappling hooks were also used to pull you closer to objects (in that video on a boat). They were also used to pull you towards other players.

Why are those gameplay mechanics of LBP not implemented in LBPK and only those which imitate Mario Kart 7?"

the second thing i'd like to point out is as i've repeated about 5 times the grappling hooks shown in the trailer function exactly as they did in lbp

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRk4-nOg1-0

so is your point that mk 7 copied lbp then lbpk copied mk 7? does that sound even remotely sensible to you?

Game Dynamics->Mario Kart was the first racer which was just ridiculous to play. Top Gear, Rad Racer, and anything else on NES or before Mario Kart was completely different, they were more focused on actual cars racing really fast and unrealistically, where Mario Kart in general is unrealistic all together and just fun. There were items which appeared out of flat boxes in MK, tracks were not stationary anymore, boost pads, jumping, etc. Nintendo made the Kart Racing subgenre. So like the other guy said, all Kart racers will resemble Mario Kart. I just wish there was more diversity, like Diddy Kong Racing had.

Mario Kart wasn't the first game with air tricks, just like it's not the first looney racing game, but it's application of air tricks is far less serious then ATV off road fury. Nintendo didn't make this idea, but I wouldn't say they copied it. After all how many racers gave you boosts with air tricks before Double Dash?

As for Sony's Smash Cross-over. Why does Sony need to copy Nintendo? Let Nintendo had a cross over smash em up. I mean do you see Nintendo trying to copy Gran Turismo or God of War?

As for Laso's being used only to extend the jump. My original point was "based off this video, LBPK looks like a rip off of Mario Kart." Until the game is finished, we dunno how similar they will be.

How could Mario Kart copy LBP? different genres, different purpose. By your logic LBP copied Lost Planet.

Also I saw that trailer, where in LBPK is Sackboy using the grappling hook horizontally? Never uses it to corner or grab enemies...