Yeah but most ps360 games have both unlockable collection items on top of acheivements etc.

My point is who gives a shit about a trophy except some shallow person?  I know they are addicting like crack but that is when you have to step back and realize you are addicted to shit.  If anything I want the game to reward me with unlockables not unlock a stupid trophy for "accomplishing" something in the game.  Sorry, I think they are pointless (I know they aren't to most but to me they are).

Let me just go on a rant here.  You know what??  I believe Nintendo has already topped Microsoft and Sony with trophies / achievements..  You want to know why?  Smash Bros trophies...  Yes, these are actually 100 times better than a platinum, gold or whatever the fuck.  You want to know why?  Cause they actually provide a short history lesson about the character, game, etc for each trophy.  That to me is way better and actually provides something you can learn.  OMG!!! Learn video game history from an in-game video game trophy... NO FUCKIN WAY!!!  Now, you tell me what is better.  Staring at a stupid color/point total or looking a detailed trophy with information about it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=45954

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/82548/sony-launches-playstation-rewards-a-new-loyalty-program/

We once had a rumor that trophies would do something, and then they removed the trophy aspect, sadly.

The thing is, other games still do both.

Like in god of war, for completing the challenge of the titans, you unlock the developers halls and a secret skin and also a trophy. It's an easy way to look at a friends profile and see whether he's completed something or not, the social aspects are pretty well defined.

Or like in hot shots golf, if I hit a hole in one, I might get a crown (depending on the level), and rank up to my character, and also a trophy.

I think that what your missing, or maybe it doesn't matter to you, is that even though Nintendo does well through unlockables, it's undeniable that acheivements/trophies bring a social component to the game. You could argue that Nintendo is already "good enough", but I mean, thousands upon thousands of trophy guides have been written, entire websites dedicated to the concept, forum-goers have become teams of contributors.

Furthermore, with the average 20 trophies per game, in a similar Nintendo game, exactly how many unlockables should there be? I mean, I would agree if there were actually 20 unlockables, but at the same time, where does the developer make the call of what to include immediately and what to make unlockable.

And trophies etc are also usually reserved for difficult challenges, they add a "hardcoating" to an otherwise difficult game, to press you into really making that game your bitch. In Super Smash, you get an unlockable for beating levels or completing the game with certain characters, or reaching a certain goal in a minigame, but what about getting 20 multiplayer wins in a row, or getting a "perfect" etc etc?

I dunno, that's my point of view on it, anyway

I mean, I don't NEED trophies in my nintendo games, but they are a nice little extra thing to do.

They'll be something, I reckon an acheivement system, but I hope they won't just be 'tacked on' for no reason just for trophy whores.

We'll know soon enough.

This is what I want to see next gen. Make them actually mean something, like for every 100 you unlock you get x amount of credit to buy downloadable games with. This may be unrealistic, but it would improve things dramatically.

I really don't think they encourage replay value right now, if they did then I wouldn't have gone nearly five months up to last week without picking up a single trophy.

We already have that why can't we have both. 

I replay SMB3 endlessly and it doesn't have any trophy system. Why is that?

That would be great! The trip part would be sweet!
Too bad Sony didn`t go forward with this, let`s hope Nintendo follows this route. At least it would diffrentiate them from the competition.

Thanks for sharing this, btw.