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killerzX on 11 March 2012
Michael-5 said:
killerzX said:
Michael-5 said:
 

God of War 3 got Runner up in 2010, just like Mass Effect 2....

at one site, GOW3 won the vast majority of best graphics awards.

Since you have it tabulated, how many GOTY awards did ME2 get in 2010 compared to GoW 3?

we are talking graphics, not GOTY. typo

How about Alan Wake and Heavy Rain (include # of runner ups for both)

what does this have to do with anything? what does it even mean? Read the OP, Heavy Rain is one of 3 games which are used as examples to show PS3 is graphics king. The fact is Heavy Rain has got less best graphics awards then Gears, Mass Effect, and Forza.

2009 Killzone 2 was runner up to UC2, but so was Alan Wake 2.

what does this mean, how can killzone be the runner up, if alan wake was the runner up, which one is it. again UC2 won easily over 90% of best graphics, with Killzone taking the majority of the rest, and i dont know of any place that gave Alan wake best graphics, which is like 540p or something.multiple runner ups, and you would be surprised how few best graphics Killzone 2 won.

In E3 2008 Gears of War 2 won best graphics (Over Killzone 2, and Crysis Warhead), but MGS4 won for the year.

killzone 2 came out in 2009, why compare it to GeOW2 which came out in 2008. also MGS4 won more best graphics, as did crysis, and i believe even GTAIV. E3 rates upcoming games, and IGN compared those, Gears 2 beat Killzone 2, which many people here put second to Uncharted. Prooves a point, that even if Uncharted is the best graphically, 1 franchise hardly puts the PS3 console on top when #2 is 360 exclusive.

No source, what you are saying is nonsense. i think you are the first person i have ever heard try to argue that Gears 2 looks better than Killzone 2. its pretty well established that even Uncharted 1 looks better than Gears 2, just look at the game, Gears hasnt aged well.

 

Also P.S. Crysis on XBLA and PSN doesn't look that different then Crysis on PC. Crysis > Uncharted, but UC3 > Crysis. Overall, the verdict, your crazy to care about small differences like this. Get a PC, play any game in 1080p, and then hush. Your comparing games that look nearly identical in 720p and sub 720p, when any of these games look much much better on Pc in native 1080p.

you are talking about others going crazy about this stuff, but look in the mirror, you cant even accept things that are pretty much well established. in almost every reputable site, including sites like DF or what ever the other site is, lens something. you will see its usually considered (not direct lists but, taking into account of what they say about said game). best graphics are UC3>KZ3>GOW3>UC2>KZ2> then perhaps Crysis2 (sometimes crysis is listed above KZ2, which is funny since KZ2 is 720p with locked 30fps, and good AA).So if Gears 2 > KZ2, and Gears 3 is above KZ3....that means Gears 3 is #2, which means the best graphics games are staggered over the HD consoles... Which prooves this thread to be complete false.

where did you even come up with Gears 2> KZ2, or Gears 3 above KZ3. you are the only one claiming this, no site agrees with you. sites like Lens of truth and Digital foundry, show that this isnt the case whatsoever. Gears 3 wasnt even really talked about in best graphics. again both killzones are native 720p, locked 30 fps, no screen tear, and good AA (gears 3 doesnt even have any AA)

Again....ah never mind...



killerzX said:
Michael-5 said:

Spike....is just terrible. They didn't nominate Super Mario Galaxy as GOTY Material in 2007 and got chastized so much Skyward Sword was an auto contender this year.

You also clerverly avoided my questions. How many Best Graphics awards did ME2 get and GoW3? I really doubt a lot more. Same with Alan Wake vs. Heavy Rain

those games are all from the same year. and GOW3 the most. furthermore you seem to be the only one mentioning Heavy Rain, i havent seen anybody else bring it up, in fact the same goes for ME2 and Alan Wake. what do they have anything to do with, they didnt win many if at all best graphics. Read the OP....3 games mentioned are GoW3, UC3, and Heavy Rain. Heavy Rain, like GoW 3, is outclassed by many 360 exclusive and even some multi-platform games.

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I'm just going to point something out. You said UC3>UC2>KZ3>KZ2 as the top 4 best graphics on consoles, right? IGN said Gears 2 is above Killzone 2, (where, when, link?) -----------Link---------- and Gears 3 is a huge upgrade on that. So I do agree UC2>Gears 3 (who are you agreeing with> yourself? no site i can think of has said such a thing, most sites didnt even mention gears 3 for best graphics, and sites like DF said Gears had to make great sacrifices for the level of detail they had, with screen tearing, dropped frame rate, and forgoing any AA.),...Link? I know Killzone 2 and I think 3 had screen tearing issues too, doesn't mean Gears 3 doesn't look better... but the difference isn't that big, and in the end racing sim like Forza and GT5 look much much better.

no it doesnt. dont lie. and racing games are soooo different their graphics cant be compared, and still GT5 is 1080p, forza 720p.

IMHO Forza 4>GT5=Forza 3>UC3>Gears3>UC2>ME2=KZ3>KZ2=GoW3

rediculous, take off the glasses

If you disagree, that's your own personal opinion, not a concensus.

I don't know where I would put Mass Effect 3 as I want to beat ME2 before playing it.



killerzX said:
Michael-5 said:

Both are 720p. GT5 is only 1080p when viewing cars in the garage and when you take a photo. GT5 does has 1080p vertical resolution, but has frequent frame rate drops to 30FPS (lower in 3D), even in optimal 12 person driving, no weather. Forza 4 holds a constant 60 FPS.

GT5 looks more like Forza 3, with the difference being car models look better in GT5 (for the limited cars that have them).

no thats false, GT5's native resolution is 1080p (1280x1080) just check DF are any other site.

That's not 1080p.....1080p is 1920x1080. 1280x1080 is sub 1080p.

no, thats still 1080p, the resolution is determined by vertical res, not horizontal. for example not all TVs are 16x9, some are more square, some are 1280x1080. which is 1080p. some may call 1920x1080 FULL HD or full 1080p, but 1280x1080 is FACTUALLY 1080p.

GT5 = 1080p always (you can choose 720p with more AA). and frame rate analysis shows GT5 is usualy around 50fps, and thats when the game first launched many things have been improved sense.

Posted link above, frequent FPS dips to below 30FPS, even in Spec 2.0.... GT5 is also only 720p, like Forza 4...

frequent? the picture you showed, shows no frequency, just one instant, and it show 3d more at 30 fps, furthermore it doesnt change the fact that it averages around 50fps, as shown by DF and LoT.

Forza = 720p always. with frame rate usually around 59-60fps. and they had to make great sacrifices to get 16 cars at the same time like gt5 has. and it still doesnt have weather effects or day night transistions



you seem very very very biased, and seem to have no arguement other than the games you like more have better graphics, basically because you like them more, as if you are wishing for them to have better graphics. if have lurked on this site long enough to see your anti everything ps3, and its really no use arguing with you because you change the argument so much. you are disingenous and back track. you act as if you word is fact, and then attack people for their opinions and say it not a fact. this is silly i didnt want to get involved with this because i love both systems, and have many games for both. and i dont even like gran turismo. but what ever, you have yoor (slanted)opinion based off nothing, i have my opinion based off common opinion and analysi of games but whatever.

edit: and that link proves nothing, those were e3 awards nearly a year before KZ2 was released, and just before Gears 2 was released, one had finished graphics, the other pre-alpha. furthermore Gears didnt even win best graphics for that year by ign, MGS4 did. so again you have no footing in your argument, you stand on nothing, other than bias



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thehusbo on 11 March 2012

Why is this thread still going on...? Geez. Funny how Michael is still trying though.



Michael-5 on 11 March 2012
killerzX said:

you seem very very very biased, and seem to have no arguement other than the games you like more have better graphics, basically because you like them more, as if you are wishing for them to have better graphics. if have lurked on this site long enough to see your anti everything ps3, and its really no use arguing with you because you change the argument so much. you are disingenous and back track. you act as if you word is fact, and then attack people for their opinions and say it not a fact. this is silly i didnt want to get involved with this because i love both systems, and have many games for both. and i dont even like gran turismo. but what ever, you have yoor (slanted)opinion based off nothing, i have my opinion based off common opinion and analysi of games but whatever.

edit: and that link proves nothing, those were e3 awards nearly a year before KZ2 was released, and just before Gears 2 was released, one had finished graphics, the other pre-alpha (Pre-Alpha for Killzone 2 was looong before 2008). furthermore Gears didnt even win best graphics for that year by ign, MGS4 did wasn't my point, my point was Gears 2 > Killzone 2, you are twisting my point (and then insulting me for changing the subject and twisting the arguement). so again you have no footing in your argument, you stand on nothing, other than bias

I'm biased, but I think Uncharted 3 looks the best and after that both consoles have great looking games? Exactly how is this biased? I am able to admit that neither console has graphical superiority, unlike you. Also just so you know I like and own Uncharted, Heavy Rain, Killzone and many other PS3 exclusives (not GoW so much). Typically good looking games are good quality.

...wow you're unbeleivable. I tell Aldros that his opinion is not fact, and that everyone has their own opinions, yet somehow you interpret that what I say is fact? You're free to believe what you like, I'm just saying that peoples opinions =/= definitive answers, the whole general concensus arguement is people wanting their opinions to be more true then everyone elses, which is just plain wrong. No one's opinion outweighs the others.

To argue this, and to insult me instead of counter just means that you can't accept that people with different opinions other then your exist. In General, resorting to insults is indication of a lack of ability to continue debating, or inability to return an intelligent counter (Not being specific towards anyone with this comment, and not trying to insult, just saying). I can accept people thinking Killzone looks better then Gears, and I've said it multiple times in this thread...You can't accept that people think Forza looks better then GT5.

"Common opinion" is you telling me your opinion is a concensus, or more valid then mine. You insult me for interpreting my opinion as a presentation of facts, but then express your own opinion as a general concensus (the closest thing in a debate after hard facts).

Increadible.



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Michael-5 on 11 March 2012
thehusbo said:
Why is this thread still going on...? Geez. Funny how Michael is still trying though.

I just got back, was only in this thread at 2 specific points (now and 11 hours ago).

P.S. I said UC3 was the best (after racing sims), just saying after that it's too close to give either console an edge, especially when MP titles like Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 looking as good or better then most PS360 exclusives.



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kain_kusanagi on 11 March 2012
coolbeans said:
It's not really safe to say that, but instead something more along the lines of "the PS3 IS PRODUCING the def. (console) graphics kings this gen". People who know what the heck they're talking about always placed PS3 incrementally ahead of 360 in overall technical prowess. Carmack was constantly talking "tech mumbo jumbo" where PS3 and 360 faltered.

The general consensus I've seen is the PS3 looks to be about 5% "more powerful" than the 360. I find that minimal difference to be enough for either system to show off the best we have to see on consoles. Even when PS3 is the lead platform, I've never been inclined to believe multiplats can deliver something of Xbox's Chaos Theory to prove just how much more powerful the machine is.

The reason I put the "is producing" part is to the incline that the hardware difference is so minimal that it's up to the developers to make the real console graphics kings. Whenever you post pics of GoW3 and the Uncharted series, lets start looking toward the hand-crafted engines, rather than "the C3LL". In fact, you essentially lose 10 credibilty points every time you bring up "the cell" with me.

I like the way you think. Top drawer good sir.

BTW, I think Fight Night Champion has some of the best graphics around. Here's a video with tons of in-game footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WJ1XP5Jzv8

Just make sure to watch it in 720p



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Michael-5 on 11 March 2012
NightDragon83 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
NightDragon83 said:
I think it's safe to say that being the definitive graphics king during a generation doesn't mean jack in the grand scheme of things since all the graphics kings of every console gen ended up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end in total sales.

Because I appreciate a game more when the platform I'm  playing it on sells a few more million than the other platform...

(?)

Not my point... it's nearly the end of the generation, and people are still arguing over which system has the best graphics as if it actually matters at this point.  Of course, the people doing most of the arguing are the Sony fans, because it's the only victory they can point to this gen since they went from 1st to 3rd in market share and no longer have bragging rights in that department.  PS Vita also has the best graphics ever by far for any dedicated handheld gaming device... how's that working out for them these days?

But I digress... because everyone knows you appreciate a game more because it has a slightly higher poly count, or better lighting, or slightly more detailed textures over its competitor's version, the differences of which are almost negligible when viewed on any 720p or 1080p HDTV from more than 5 feet away...  right?

Ouch...Yea, I always wondered why hardcore Sony fans really wanted to drive this point. If it weren't for Uncharted 3, PS3 would have no clear best looking game, and this debate would be meaningless as everyone would have their own "best looking" game.

For your original point, graphics don't make the game. Also the hardcore audience is small compared to the more casual audience (e.g. XenoBlade selling 500k, Mario Party 8 selling 8 million......yep, casuals define the market)



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SnesTea on 11 March 2012
NoCtiS_NoX said:
green_sky said:

The Last of US...


Ok that made me laugh. AHAHAHAHA!

That's just a screenshot from Inception.



Nsanity on 11 March 2012
xwan said:
I think whoever is disagreeing does not own a PC.

Well said.



paulrage2 on 11 March 2012

U3>>>U2>>>KZ3>>>GOWIII



thehusbo on 11 March 2012
Michael-5 said:
thehusbo said:
Why is this thread still going on...? Geez. Funny how Michael is still trying though.

I just got back, was only in this thread at 2 specific points (now and 11 hours ago).

P.S. I said UC3 was the best (after racing sims), just saying after that it's too close to give either console an edge, especially when MP titles like Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 looking as good or better then most PS360 exclusives.


Have u played god of war 3?? That's as good, if not better than uncharted 3 at times. Definitely uc3 and god of war 3 are the best on consoles this gen.