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Who will be World Series Champions?

Yankees 6 18.18%
 
Cubs 5 15.15%
 
Houston 8 24.24%
 
Rockies 0 0.00%
 
Boston 2 6.06%
 
Washington 0 0.00%
 
Dodgers 9 27.27%
 
Indians 2 6.06%
 
Arizona 0 0.00%
 
Twins 1 3.03%
 
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spurgeonryan said:

Lol, as if the god's were listening to us talk.

 

Scott Sizemore will miss the entire 2012 season with a torn ACL in his left knee.

My favorite part: he lasted all of one hour into the team's first workout!

 

 

;_;

pbroy said:

Orioles.. woohoo!!


Oh. You poor, poor bastard. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. I'm..I'm here for you, buddy.

theRepublic said:

Pujols has been a huge part of the Cardinals for the past decade.  But if you look at 2011, you will see that Beltran had a better batting average, better on base percentage, better OPS, and was close in slugging percentage.  He played about the same number of games too.  If he can keep it up, he would be an adequate replacement.

I'm just hoping that age doesn't catch up to Beltran and Berkman and Carpenter.

Pujols is 32.  Pujols will not be worth that contract for probably the last 3 or 4 years.  There are some rumors out there he is 33 or 34, but I don't really believe that.

I think you're being a bit too cavalier about replacing Pujols, especially with a 35 year old, but Beltran did have a good year. I'm with amp, though, in expecting a decrease in performance. I expect them to beat the Reds, though.

And yes, the Pujols contract is going to be an albatross in a few years. I can't wait! ^_^



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noname2200 said:
spurgeonryan said:

Lol, as if the god's were listening to us talk.

 

Scott Sizemore will miss the entire 2012 season with a torn ACL in his left knee.

My favorite part: he lasted all of one hour into the team's first workout!

 

 

;_;

pbroy said:

Orioles.. woohoo!!


Oh. You poor, poor bastard. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. I'm..I'm here for you, buddy.

theRepublic said:

Pujols has been a huge part of the Cardinals for the past decade.  But if you look at 2011, you will see that Beltran had a better batting average, better on base percentage, better OPS, and was close in slugging percentage.  He played about the same number of games too.  If he can keep it up, he would be an adequate replacement.

I'm just hoping that age doesn't catch up to Beltran and Berkman and Carpenter.

Pujols is 32.  Pujols will not be worth that contract for probably the last 3 or 4 years.  There are some rumors out there he is 33 or 34, but I don't really believe that.

I think you're being a bit too cavalier about replacing Pujols, especially with a 35 year old, but Beltran did have a good year. I'm with amp, though, in expecting a decrease in performance. I expect them to beat the Reds, though.

And yes, the Pujols contract is going to be an albatross in a few years. I can't wait! ^_^

I did not see how much Sizemore's salary is, but one hour is horrible! Lol, when that kind of thing happens I know an owner is just sitting there kicking himself. Looks back to see if there were any signs that he was already broken.

 

Pujols. He is a good all around player. Unlike, Griffey Jr. who was a Home run hitter only towards the end. I think he will push it out like a champ until the very end.



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amp316 said:

I'll predict the National League Central standings:

1) Cincinnati- They have good pitching and Joey Votto is a heck of a player.
2) St. Louis- They lost one of the best players in baseball and quite possibly the best manager in baseball. They'll still contend, but that's quite a blow.
3) Milwaukee- Fielder is gone. The Aramis Ramirez pick up will help a little, but he normally doesn't start hitting until the 2nd half. They will put on a fierce push in the 2nd half and come up short.
4) Pittsburgh- Yeah, they've improved, but the end of last year proved that they are still the Pirates.
5) Chicago- The Cubs got even weaker this off season as I said above. There's no hope for the team this year.
6) Houston- The worst team in baseball. 'Nuff said.

The Cardinals get back Wainwright though.  That will be a huge boost to the pitching staff.

The Cardinals had the best offense in the NL last year even though Pujols had a down year (for him).  Plugging in Beltran is a good replacement as long as he stays healthy.  I think they will be right there in the thick of things again this year.

Wainright will definitely be a plus but Wainright doesn't equal Pujuols and LaRussa IMO. Also, Beltran is often hurt as you said.   I think that they will contend, but come up a tad bit short.  I could be wrong since I often am.

I think bringing back a potential 20 game winner is more than just a 'plus'.  

I have faith in Mike Matheny.  He was a fantastic leader with the Cards in his playing days and knows the game very well.

I am more worried about Dave Duncan's leave of absence.  It could be tough without him working his magic in the bullpen.  I hope his wife recovers quickly and returns to good health.



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noname2200 said:
theRepublic said:

Pujols has been a huge part of the Cardinals for the past decade.  But if you look at 2011, you will see that Beltran had a better batting average, better on base percentage, better OPS, and was close in slugging percentage.  He played about the same number of games too.  If he can keep it up, he would be an adequate replacement.

I'm just hoping that age doesn't catch up to Beltran and Berkman and Carpenter.

Pujols is 32.  Pujols will not be worth that contract for probably the last 3 or 4 years.  There are some rumors out there he is 33 or 34, but I don't really believe that.

I think you're being a bit too cavalier about replacing Pujols, especially with a 35 year old, but Beltran did have a good year. I'm with amp, though, in expecting a decrease in performance. I expect them to beat the Reds, though.

And yes, the Pujols contract is going to be an albatross in a few years. I can't wait! ^_^

The reason I am not super worried is that the Cards had the best offense in the NL by far last year.  They have some room to come back down without it hurting too much.  The pitching will likely be better, so that should help too.

I hated seeing Pujols go, but for that number of years and that much money...I can deal with it.  It would have hurt the Cards in the long run.



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spurgeonryan said:

Pujols. He is a good all around player. Unlike, Griffey Jr. who was a Home run hitter only towards the end. I think he will push it out like a champ until the very end.

It will be interesting watching the rest of his career.

There are a few things that worry me about him from this past year:

  • His doubles were way down.  He only hit 29, which is the worst of his career.  He averages 41.4 and the last three seasons he hit 44, 45, and 39.
  • He also had the worst RBI total of his career.  I would usually ignore a stat like this, but it is odd considering how much protection he had in the lineup this year.  He had 99 last year.  He averages 120.8 and the last three seasons he hit 116, 135, and 118.  This was the best offense the Cards have had since 2008, so it is just odd.
  • His walks were way down.  He only had 61, which is the worst of his career.  He averages 88.6 and the last three seasons he had 104, 115, and 104.  Part of this is that his intentional walks were down quite a bit, but it does not explain all of the decrease.
  • He had the lowest batting average of his career at .299.  For his career he has hit .328, and the last three seasons were .357, .327, and .312.
  • His OBP was the worst of his career at .366.  Career is .420.  Last three seasons were .462, .443, and .414.
  • His slugging percentage was the worst of his career at .541.   Career is .617.  Last three seasons were .653, .658, and .596.  A big part of this is that he had the fewest extra base hits of his career (66 this year, averages 83.2, previous years 81, 93, 82).  
  • Of course, that means his OPS is the lowest of his career (OBP+SLG).
  • He grounded into the most double plays of his career.
  • His ground ball to fly ball ratio jumped to 0.82.  The previous three years were 0.68, 0.63, and 0.60.
This could just be that he was pressing this year because it was a contract year.  Or, it could be part of a larger trend.  It is true that his stats have declined every year since 2008.

Even with all of that, he is still one of the best hitters in the game.  Any team would be lucky to have him, and I do think he will have a pretty long slow decline.  (10 years is still nuts though)


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Wow, you've thought pretty hard about the Pujols situation, huh? I'd ask for his BABIP, but it's not likely bad luck is in play three years running.



noname2200 said:
Wow, you've thought pretty hard about the Pujols situation, huh? I'd ask for his BABIP, but it's not likely bad luck is in play three years running.

Actually, when I looked at the stats for my last post, I didn't think it would turn out nearly as bad as it did.  I knew he had a down year, but I didn't know it was that bad.  I did not expect to see so many career worsts.

Anyway...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=7&type=full

BABIP is actually favorable for Pujols.  Above average in 2008, average in 2009 and 2010, and then below average in 2011.  It helps explain part of the drop.  He should have a better year as long as...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=9&type=full

...he stops hitting so many ground balls.  If you look at the detail graphs in 2011, you can see his BABIP improves as his ground ball rate drops.



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theRepublic said:
noname2200 said:
Wow, you've thought pretty hard about the Pujols situation, huh? I'd ask for his BABIP, but it's not likely bad luck is in play three years running.

Actually, when I looked at the stats for my last post, I didn't think it would turn out nearly as bad as it did.  I knew he had a down year, but I didn't know it was that bad.  I did not expect to see so many career worsts.

Anyway...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=7&type=full

BABIP is actually favorable for Pujols.  Above average in 2008, average in 2009 and 2010, and then below average in 2011.  It helps explain part of the drop.  He should have a better year as long as...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=9&type=full

...he stops hitting so many ground balls.  If you look at the detail graphs in 2011, you can see his BABIP improves as his ground ball rate drops.


Still he is an infielder who does not have to much strain on his body from what I have seen. If he can stay healthy, I see no reason why he cannot do well. There certainly will be some drop off as he ages. Now he is on a American League team. Designated hitter is always a possibility.

 

I think Ground balls are a good start. You never want to have balls too much in the air. Getting out of the high fly ball routine is a pain for players.

Was just looking at Ichiro's season last year. Hope he can pick it up. Although upper 100's in hits is still a great season! I was reminded of him by you guys talking about ground balls, and how he loves to hit a ground ball.



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spurgeonryan said:
theRepublic said:

Actually, when I looked at the stats for my last post, I didn't think it would turn out nearly as bad as it did.  I knew he had a down year, but I didn't know it was that bad.  I did not expect to see so many career worsts.

Anyway...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=7&type=full

BABIP is actually favorable for Pujols.  Above average in 2008, average in 2009 and 2010, and then below average in 2011.  It helps explain part of the drop.  He should have a better year as long as...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=9&type=full

...he stops hitting so many ground balls.  If you look at the detail graphs in 2011, you can see his BABIP improves as his ground ball rate drops.


Still he is an infielder who does not have to much strain on his body from what I have seen. If he can stay healthy, I see no reason why he cannot do well. There certainly will be some drop off as he ages. Now he is on a American League team. Designated hitter is always a possibility.

 

I think Ground balls are a good start. You never want to have balls too much in the air. Getting out of the high fly ball routine is a pain for players.

Was just looking at Ichiro's season last year. Hope he can pick it up. Although upper 100's in hits is still a great season! I was reminded of him by you guys talking about ground balls, and how he loves to hit a ground ball.

The DH will be good for him, no doubt about that.

Ground balls are bad, especially for Pujols (because he is slow).

"A line drive produces 1.26 runs per out, while fly balls produce 0.13 runs per out and groundballs produce 0.05 runs per out. In other words, batters want to hit lots of line drives and fly balls, while pitchers generally want to cause batters to hit groundballs."

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/offense/batted-ball/



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theRepublic said:
spurgeonryan said:
theRepublic said:

Actually, when I looked at the stats for my last post, I didn't think it would turn out nearly as bad as it did.  I knew he had a down year, but I didn't know it was that bad.  I did not expect to see so many career worsts.

Anyway...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=7&type=full

BABIP is actually favorable for Pujols.  Above average in 2008, average in 2009 and 2010, and then below average in 2011.  It helps explain part of the drop.  He should have a better year as long as...

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B&page=9&type=full

...he stops hitting so many ground balls.  If you look at the detail graphs in 2011, you can see his BABIP improves as his ground ball rate drops.


Still he is an infielder who does not have to much strain on his body from what I have seen. If he can stay healthy, I see no reason why he cannot do well. There certainly will be some drop off as he ages. Now he is on a American League team. Designated hitter is always a possibility.

 

I think Ground balls are a good start. You never want to have balls too much in the air. Getting out of the high fly ball routine is a pain for players.

Was just looking at Ichiro's season last year. Hope he can pick it up. Although upper 100's in hits is still a great season! I was reminded of him by you guys talking about ground balls, and how he loves to hit a ground ball.

The DH will be good for him, no doubt about that.

Ground balls are bad, especially for Pujols (because he is slow).

"A line drive produces 1.26 runs per out, while fly balls produce 0.13 runs per out and groundballs produce 0.05 runs per out. In other words, batters want to hit lots of line drives and fly balls, while pitchers generally want to cause batters to hit groundballs."

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/offense/batted-ball/

You know what? I agree. I was thinking of line drives and ground balls as one. Ground balls are horrible unless you are really fast. Maybe Kenny lofton in his prime, Ichiro, Rickey henderson, Crawford, etc.

 

Also I would like everyone to know that I cannot wait for top ten plays on Sports Center and Baseball tonight once Baseball is in full swing! Nothing like watching some player just go for it and lunge for a ball, and make a spectacular play.

 

In case anyone was wondering or did not check it out, Phillies won today.



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