Reasonable said: Runa216 said: oniyide said: yes, exclusive is exclusive is exclusive, unless the PSP version of the SHow is very different than the PS3 version it shouldnt count either. BUt LBP should becasue those two are different games. An exclusive is just that, something you can only play on one platform(legit). Well the MLB games are similar but different, still not sure what to consider that (doubly so since they're both Sony platforms)   I really don't wanna take out PC ports becuase that basically guts the 360 exclusive list...to Forza, Project Gotham, Gears, and Halo.   I'll have to come back with the list of true exclusives (I still kinda like how it's that console only, like, a game that's on 360 that isn't on PS3 or Wii).   Why not two lists - one with 360/PC and one without? TBH I've never really bought into the console exclusive - it's always been a way of trying to cut out another platform on cost and create what I believe is an artificial division between console/PC. I have a 360 and a PC.  I have L4D, Mass Effect, etc. on PC.  Having a 360 is not a requirement to have those games.  An exclusive should mean not available anywhere else.  But - I accept that a lot of people see some meaning in this arbritary division and it would be interesting to see the difference for 360 without those titles.

This has always been my point, but I havent dropped my 360 yet because all my friends are on it and I dont have a amazingly powerful PC. The 360 is a poor mans PC providing you exclusives the PC once enjoyed because MS cant make hits of their own on a rate of the competition. Most of my PC friends have told me in conversations that the 360 isnt even an option since they take from PC and give back some of their "exclusives" so technically Microsoft only has three true exclusive franchises in Halo, Gears and Forza. Fable 3 and Alan Wake will join the fleet of 360/PC titles Microsoft has paid for.

Reasonable said: Runa216 said: oniyide said: yes, exclusive is exclusive is exclusive, unless the PSP version of the SHow is very different than the PS3 version it shouldnt count either. BUt LBP should becasue those two are different games. An exclusive is just that, something you can only play on one platform(legit). Well the MLB games are similar but different, still not sure what to consider that (doubly so since they're both Sony platforms)   I really don't wanna take out PC ports becuase that basically guts the 360 exclusive list...to Forza, Project Gotham, Gears, and Halo.   I'll have to come back with the list of true exclusives (I still kinda like how it's that console only, like, a game that's on 360 that isn't on PS3 or Wii).   Why not two lists - one with 360/PC and one without? TBH I've never really bought into the console exclusive - it's always been a way of trying to cut out another platform on cost and create what I believe is an artificial division between console/PC. I have a 360 and a PC.  I have L4D, Mass Effect, etc. on PC.  Having a 360 is not a requirement to have those games.  An exclusive should mean not available anywhere else.  But - I accept that a lot of people see some meaning in this arbritary division and it would be interesting to see the difference for 360 without those titles.

PC/360 only games do have their place in some cases when strictly comparing certain consoles. For example, if I was comparing the PS3 & the PC, I think it would be appropriate to list Red Dead Redemption as an advantage for the PS3, even though the title is also available on the X360. It's not an exclusive by any means, but in a comparison between the PC & PS3, the game does serve as a contrasting entity between the two, so it should be mentioned. The same goes for PC/360 exclusives I'd say. If you're comparing the X360 (or the PC) stictly with the PS3 (or the Wii), then a game like Left 4 Dead is worthy of mention.

Just my two cents on the whole thing.

Jay520 said: Reasonable said: Runa216 said: oniyide said: yes, exclusive is exclusive is exclusive, unless the PSP version of the SHow is very different than the PS3 version it shouldnt count either. BUt LBP should becasue those two are different games. An exclusive is just that, something you can only play on one platform(legit). Well the MLB games are similar but different, still not sure what to consider that (doubly so since they're both Sony platforms)   I really don't wanna take out PC ports becuase that basically guts the 360 exclusive list...to Forza, Project Gotham, Gears, and Halo.   I'll have to come back with the list of true exclusives (I still kinda like how it's that console only, like, a game that's on 360 that isn't on PS3 or Wii).   Why not two lists - one with 360/PC and one without? TBH I've never really bought into the console exclusive - it's always been a way of trying to cut out another platform on cost and create what I believe is an artificial division between console/PC. I have a 360 and a PC.  I have L4D, Mass Effect, etc. on PC.  Having a 360 is not a requirement to have those games.  An exclusive should mean not available anywhere else.  But - I accept that a lot of people see some meaning in this arbritary division and it would be interesting to see the difference for 360 without those titles. PC/360 only games do have their place in some cases when strictly comparing certain consoles. For example, if I was comparing the PS3 & the PC, I think it would be appropriate to list Red Dead Redemption as an advantage for the PS3, even though the title is also available on the X360. It's not an exclusive by any means, but in a comparison between the PC & PS3, the game does serve as a contrasting entity between the two, so it should be mentioned. The same goes for PC/360 exclusives I'd say. If you're comparing the X360 (or the PC) stictly with the PS3 (or the Wii), then a game like Left 4 Dead is worthy of mention. Just my two cents on the whole thing.

This makes sense, but alot of times when people talk 360 exclusives, It should be just that 360 exclusives. Period. Now if you wanna compare PS3 games to 360, then in that strict sense, you can use the Mass Effects, Modnations, DC Universes, Fables, etc.  But I feel that some fans just throw in those 360/PC games to artifically boost 360's "exclusive" list

oniyide said: Jay520 said: Reasonable said: Runa216 said: oniyide said: yes, exclusive is exclusive is exclusive, unless the PSP version of the SHow is very different than the PS3 version it shouldnt count either. BUt LBP should becasue those two are different games. An exclusive is just that, something you can only play on one platform(legit). Well the MLB games are similar but different, still not sure what to consider that (doubly so since they're both Sony platforms)   I really don't wanna take out PC ports becuase that basically guts the 360 exclusive list...to Forza, Project Gotham, Gears, and Halo.   I'll have to come back with the list of true exclusives (I still kinda like how it's that console only, like, a game that's on 360 that isn't on PS3 or Wii).   Why not two lists - one with 360/PC and one without? TBH I've never really bought into the console exclusive - it's always been a way of trying to cut out another platform on cost and create what I believe is an artificial division between console/PC. I have a 360 and a PC.  I have L4D, Mass Effect, etc. on PC.  Having a 360 is not a requirement to have those games.  An exclusive should mean not available anywhere else.  But - I accept that a lot of people see some meaning in this arbritary division and it would be interesting to see the difference for 360 without those titles. PC/360 only games do have their place in some cases when strictly comparing certain consoles. For example, if I was comparing the PS3 & the PC, I think it would be appropriate to list Red Dead Redemption as an advantage for the PS3, even though the title is also available on the X360. It's not an exclusive by any means, but in a comparison between the PC & PS3, the game does serve as a contrasting entity between the two, so it should be mentioned. The same goes for PC/360 exclusives I'd say. If you're comparing the X360 (or the PC) stictly with the PS3 (or the Wii), then a game like Left 4 Dead is worthy of mention. Just my two cents on the whole thing. This makes sense, but alot of times when people talk 360 exclusives, It should be just that 360 exclusives. Period. Now if you wanna compare PS3 games to 360, then in that strict sense, you can use the Mass Effects, Modnations, DC Universes, Fables, etc.  But I feel that some fans just throw in those 360/PC games to artifically boost 360's "exclusive" list

Fair enough. I justed wanted to get across that console exclusives aren't 100% inappropriate. I can understand why you find them out of place sometimes though.

Jay520 said: Reasonable said: Runa216 said: oniyide said: yes, exclusive is exclusive is exclusive, unless the PSP version of the SHow is very different than the PS3 version it shouldnt count either. BUt LBP should becasue those two are different games. An exclusive is just that, something you can only play on one platform(legit). Well the MLB games are similar but different, still not sure what to consider that (doubly so since they're both Sony platforms)   I really don't wanna take out PC ports becuase that basically guts the 360 exclusive list...to Forza, Project Gotham, Gears, and Halo.   I'll have to come back with the list of true exclusives (I still kinda like how it's that console only, like, a game that's on 360 that isn't on PS3 or Wii).   Why not two lists - one with 360/PC and one without? TBH I've never really bought into the console exclusive - it's always been a way of trying to cut out another platform on cost and create what I believe is an artificial division between console/PC. I have a 360 and a PC.  I have L4D, Mass Effect, etc. on PC.  Having a 360 is not a requirement to have those games.  An exclusive should mean not available anywhere else.  But - I accept that a lot of people see some meaning in this arbritary division and it would be interesting to see the difference for 360 without those titles. PC/360 only games do have their place in some cases when strictly comparing certain consoles. For example, if I was comparing the PS3 & the PC, I think it would be appropriate to list Red Dead Redemption as an advantage for the PS3, even though the title is also available on the X360. It's not an exclusive by any means, but in a comparison between the PC & PS3, the game does serve as a contrasting entity between the two, so it should be mentioned. The same goes for PC/360 exclusives I'd say. If you're comparing the X360 (or the PC) stictly with the PS3 (or the Wii), then a game like Left 4 Dead is worthy of mention. Just my two cents on the whole thing.

I get that angle - it's just it pretends someone considering buying a PS3 or a 360 can't also buy a PC.  I guess the whole console exclusive is based on an assumption (which might be a fair one) that some people are strictly comparing PS3 to 360 for a purchase choice.  I'm just of the mind that is a purely artifical choice - the option to buy a PC doesn't evapourate it's still there.

To me - which I suppose is pedantic but also dictionary definition accurate - an exclusive means "sole" - i.e. what games do I 100% have to purchase a 360 to gain access to.  There is nowhere else to play Gears 2 or Halo Reach than 360, same for Uncharted 2 on PS3 or Super Mario Galaxy on Wii.

I'd say your point - which is 100% correct - is more about what games to you get on 360 or PS3 that aren't on the other - but this doesn't mean they are exclusive (for example Pixel Junk Eden is now on Steam - although it has been tweaked a bit so isn't 100% the same game but then I guess Gears 1 wa tweaked on PC too).

Again, I know it's pedantic, but there is a difference between exclusive and available - i.e. exclusive to a platform and available on a platform.

I guess it's splitting hairs but as a PC gamer too I find it a bit off imaginging the platform isn't an purchase option for some games.

Ask yourselves this: Who has the best game in each genre?

Platforming: Is the best platform game Mario? Little Big Planet? Splosion Man?
First Person Shooter: Halo? Killzone? Conduit?
TPS: Gears of War? Socom?
Strategy: Halo Wars? Valkyria Chronicles?
Party: Mario Party? Viva Pinata Party Animals? Just Dance? Dance Central?
Action Adventure: Zelda? Fable? Demon Souls?
RPG: Xenoblade? Lost Odyssey?
Racing: Mario Kart? Forza? Gran Turismo?
Sandbox: inFamous, Crackdown?
Other: Viva Pinata?

Of course, I didn't name every genre or every game in the genres I did mention. Think about this from a neutral point of view (filthy neutrals!) and you will come up with an honest answer--at least for yourself.

d21lewis said: Ask yourselves this: Who has the best game in each genre? Platforming: Is the best platform game Mario? Little Big Planet? Splosion Man? First Person Shooter: Halo? Killzone? Conduit? TPS: Gears of War? Socom? Strategy: Halo Wars? Valkyria Chronicles? Party: Mario Party? Viva Pinata Party Animals? Just Dance? Dance Central? Action Adventure: Zelda? Fable? Demon Souls? RPG: Xenoblade? Lost Odyssey? Racing: Mario Kart? Forza? Gran Turismo? Sandbox: inFamous, Crackdown? Other: Viva Pinata? Of course, I didn't name every genre or every game in the genres I did mention. Think about this from a neutral point of view (filthy neutrals!) and you will come up with an honest answer--at least for yourself.

Platforming: Little Big Planet
First Person Shooter: Killzone
TPS: Socom
Strategy: Valkyria Chronicles
Party: Buzz trivia games
Action Adventure: Demon Souls
RPG: White Knight Chronicles
Racing: Gran Turismo
Sandbox: inFamous?
Other: Heavy Rain

I know what you're thinking. This post is biased as shit! Well, that's because it is. Here is my true list:

Platforming: Mario
First Person Shooter: Halo
TPS: Gears of War (or R&C if that counts)
Strategy: Valkyria Chronicles
Party: Mario Party
Action Adventure: Demon Souls
RPG: IDK
Racing: Project Gotham
Sandbox: inFamous?
Other: Heavy Rain

Jay520 said: d21lewis said: Ask yourselves this: Who has the best game in each genre? Platforming: Is the best platform game Mario? Little Big Planet? Splosion Man? First Person Shooter: Halo? Killzone? Conduit? TPS: Gears of War? Socom? Strategy: Halo Wars? Valkyria Chronicles? Party: Mario Party? Viva Pinata Party Animals? Just Dance? Dance Central? Action Adventure: Zelda? Fable? Demon Souls? RPG: Xenoblade? Lost Odyssey? Racing: Mario Kart? Forza? Gran Turismo? Sandbox: inFamous, Crackdown? Other: Viva Pinata? Of course, I didn't name every genre or every game in the genres I did mention. Think about this from a neutral point of view (filthy neutrals!) and you will come up with an honest answer--at least for yourself. Platforming: Little Big Planet First Person Shooter: Killzone TPS: Socom Strategy: Valkyria Chronicles Party: Buzz trivia games Action Adventure: Demon Souls RPG: White Knight Chronicles Racing: Gran Turismo Sandbox: inFamous? Other: Heavy Rain I know what you're thinking. This post is biased as shit! Well, that's because it is. Here is the true list: Platforming: Mario First Person Shooter: Halo TPS: Gears of War (or R&C if that counts) Strategy: Valkyria Chronicles Party: Mario Party Action Adventure: Demon Souls RPG: IDK Racing: Project Gotham Sandbox: inFamous? Other: Heavy Rain

I don't really have an opinion when it comes to racing (got tired of GT around A-Spec and never played a Forza) but I can really respect your second list.  It shows a lot of open-mindedness and it closely matches my personal tastes.  I'm a Zelda fan but I've never played Demon's Souls.

Anyway, I feel that if you approach this argument as listed above, the answer to the question "Who has the best exclusives" isn't that hard to figure out, anymore.  All that matters is which of those genres you personally enjoy the most.

d21lewis said: Ask yourselves this: Who has the best game in each genre? Platforming: Is the best platform game Mario? Little Big Planet? Splosion Man? First Person Shooter: Halo? Killzone? Conduit? TPS: Gears of War? Socom? Strategy: Halo Wars? Valkyria Chronicles? Party: Mario Party? Viva Pinata Party Animals? Just Dance? Dance Central? Action Adventure: Zelda? Fable? Demon Souls? RPG: Xenoblade? Lost Odyssey? Racing: Mario Kart? Forza? Gran Turismo? Sandbox: inFamous, Crackdown? Other: Viva Pinata? Of course, I didn't name every genre or every game in the genres I did mention. Think about this from a neutral point of view (filthy neutrals!) and you will come up with an honest answer--at least for yourself.

I'm disgusted that you forgot the best game of the generation, Super Meat Boy.

that's all personal opinion in the end, for example for me it's the ps3 exclusives because of yakuza, white knight chronicles, valkyrie chronicles, motorstorm and a bunch of games that most people dont really care about and dont sell that much. most of my favourite exclusives are 3rd party.

some people prefer the ps3 for other exclusives that i dont play and others will prefer the nintendo for their 1st party obviously, noone would get a wii without their 1st party lineup. others prefer xbox for their exclusives or exclusive dlc deals.

it's all about what you like to play in the end. so "best" exclusives might not be the best way to phrase it, it's vague and it's just opinion. if the question was most exclusives, wider variety or most exclusives of X genre there could be a conclusive answer cause it would just be a matter of maths. this way it's just opinion against opinion.