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ganondorf7799 said:
Shinobi-san said:
ganondorf7799 said:
No I won't, but only because I play that kind of games on PC.
Some others like GTA or Batman I would (even day 1)
Games from Nintendo will always be my Nr.1 choise, they have something most of the other games don't have, a "soul".


Does uncharted, killzone, halo, gears, assassins creed, call of duty, battlefield, and similar games in your opinion have a "soul"?


From those mentioned I played all except killzone (already have it at home, not yet played) For me Uncharted has a "soul", so has AC, the others I liked, but something was missing (for me)

CoD is one of the most " soulless" games , but the MP it is a blast (especially CoD4 MW)

For me there are only a handful of games with "soul" besides Nintendo games. (Heavy Rain comes to my mind)


I dont play much nintendo games anymore and i play quite a lot of games, and i feel most have a soul. So maybe you not playing the right games if thats how you feel.I duno.

And COD4 definately has soul!

 I put it all down to personal preference.



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i bought a 360 to play some 3rd party games but if they were on wii i would get them there. I'm hoping for better support for WiiU so that i don't have too buy another console



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Mr Khan said:
Due to the distinct efforts of the gaming media and third parties to alienate us, we Nintendo Gamers have, i think, become a community somewhat separated from the gaming community at large

"enlightened" is not the term i would use. "Mutual alienation" is better. The clear bias of the gaming media against what we enjoy and their efforts to focus on everything except that which we enjoy makes it such that Nintendo Gamers can effectively get nothing out of mainstream gaming sites anymore, and must find their own communities

This is what makes the Nintendo-PC gamer alliance particularly strong, since those who have really stuck by PC gaming (and not migrated to HD-faux-PC gaming) also experience this alienation

I certainly agree with all of that. Whether or not you want to use the word "enlightened" depends on whether you believe one set of tastes can be "superior" to another. But of course they can.

Is Charles Dickens a better novelist than Lee Child, is Citizen Kane a better movie than Transformers 3, is Super Mario Galaxy 2 a richer experience than Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3? Real genius and art never needs explosions and shotguns to draw audiences. Perhaps the Nintendo gamer is, indeed, "enlightened".



Mr Khan said:
Due to the distinct efforts of the gaming media and third parties to alienate us, we Nintendo Gamers have, i think, become a community somewhat separated from the gaming community at large

"enlightened" is not the term i would use. "Mutual alienation" is better. The clear bias of the gaming media against what we enjoy and their efforts to focus on everything except that which we enjoy makes it such that Nintendo Gamers can effectively get nothing out of mainstream gaming sites anymore, and must find their own communities

This is what makes the Nintendo-PC gamer alliance particularly strong, since those who have really stuck by PC gaming (and not migrated to HD-faux-PC gaming) also experience this alienation

I get your point about the similarities between Nintendo and PC gamers, but I'm not quite sure about this whole "alliance" thing as in reality these two groups of gamers couldn't be further apart since they are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum from one another. 

Nintendo gamers obviously tend to enjoy Nintendo games the most, ranging from tried and true classics like Mario and Zelda to more offbeat but still amazing games like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, with a healthy dose of pseudo-puzzle and RPG games thrown into the mix like Pokemon, Professor Layton, and the occasional JRPG like Xenoblade.  And that's not even mentioning the more "casual" / expanded audience with Wii Sports and such... PC gamers don't even know the meaning of the word "casual" lol.

PC gamers on the other hand tend to enjoy gaming experiences that only the PC can provide, like RTS and MMO games, as well as shooters and action games with a heavy emphasis on the community aspect like Team Fortress and Counter Strike, as well as supporting all the indy stuff out there like Minecraft and such.  I don't really see these guys playing Nintendo type games, and vice-versa with the typical modern Nintendo-centric gamer.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

I'd hate to use a person's taste in videogame, to judge them as a person. Some people play videogames for different reasons. 



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NightDragon83 said:
Mr Khan said:
Due to the distinct efforts of the gaming media and third parties to alienate us, we Nintendo Gamers have, i think, become a community somewhat separated from the gaming community at large

"enlightened" is not the term i would use. "Mutual alienation" is better. The clear bias of the gaming media against what we enjoy and their efforts to focus on everything except that which we enjoy makes it such that Nintendo Gamers can effectively get nothing out of mainstream gaming sites anymore, and must find their own communities

This is what makes the Nintendo-PC gamer alliance particularly strong, since those who have really stuck by PC gaming (and not migrated to HD-faux-PC gaming) also experience this alienation

I get your point about the similarities between Nintendo and PC gamers, but I'm not quite sure about this whole "alliance" thing as in reality these two groups of gamers couldn't be further apart since they are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum from one another. 

Nintendo gamers obviously tend to enjoy Nintendo games the most, ranging from tried and true classics like Mario and Zelda to more offbeat but still amazing games like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, with a healthy dose of pseudo-puzzle and RPG games thrown into the mix like Pokemon, Professor Layton, and the occasional JRPG like Xenoblade.  And that's not even mentioning the more "casual" / expanded audience with Wii Sports and such... PC gamers don't even know the meaning of the word "casual" lol.

PC gamers on the other hand tend to enjoy gaming experiences that only the PC can provide, like RTS and MMO games, as well as shooters and action games with a heavy emphasis on the community aspect like Team Fortress and Counter Strike, as well as supporting all the indy stuff out there like Minecraft and such.  I don't really see these guys playing Nintendo type games, and vice-versa with the typical modern Nintendo-centric gamer.

It seems to me that stronger sympathy exists between those two factions here than elsewhere, despite the hugely different tastes, but i'm basing that solely on impression, sadly, and cannot particularly document anything.



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NightDragon83 said:
Mr Khan said:
Due to the distinct efforts of the gaming media and third parties to alienate us, we Nintendo Gamers have, i think, become a community somewhat separated from the gaming community at large

"enlightened" is not the term i would use. "Mutual alienation" is better. The clear bias of the gaming media against what we enjoy and their efforts to focus on everything except that which we enjoy makes it such that Nintendo Gamers can effectively get nothing out of mainstream gaming sites anymore, and must find their own communities

This is what makes the Nintendo-PC gamer alliance particularly strong, since those who have really stuck by PC gaming (and not migrated to HD-faux-PC gaming) also experience this alienation

I get your point about the similarities between Nintendo and PC gamers, but I'm not quite sure about this whole "alliance" thing as in reality these two groups of gamers couldn't be further apart since they are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum from one another. 

Nintendo gamers obviously tend to enjoy Nintendo games the most, ranging from tried and true classics like Mario and Zelda to more offbeat but still amazing games like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, with a healthy dose of pseudo-puzzle and RPG games thrown into the mix like Pokemon, Professor Layton, and the occasional JRPG like Xenoblade.  And that's not even mentioning the more "casual" / expanded audience with Wii Sports and such... PC gamers don't even know the meaning of the word "casual" lol.

PC gamers on the other hand tend to enjoy gaming experiences that only the PC can provide, like RTS and MMO games, as well as shooters and action games with a heavy emphasis on the community aspect like Team Fortress and Counter Strike, as well as supporting all the indy stuff out there like Minecraft and such.  I don't really see these guys playing Nintendo type games, and vice-versa with the typical modern Nintendo-centric gamer.

I've seen alot of people on forums say they game on a combination of PC + Wii.

Wii offers experiences further removed from the PC experience than the  PS3 and 360 do.



radishhead said:

You have a point, my friends - but I argue that it's more complex than that - I believe that after years of neglect, the Nintendo fanbase has adapted to effectively phase out all caring for these otherwise blockbuster titles. I'm suggesting that even if a Nintendo console, for example the WiiU, was to get a "true" version of the aforementioned titles, then they wouldn't be purchased by the Nintendo fans. If this is true, then it means that the 3rd parties are right about their suspicions that their games don't sell on Nintendo consoles... but the irony is that it would be them that caused this effect in the first place through their negligence.

So, I ask you this question. Let's use CoD, since it's probably the most popular of these franchises - if a mainline CoD game was to appear on the WiiU, would you buy it? If not, is it because you've grown to not care about the "blockbuster" franchises anymore?

Discuss.


Nintendo gamers are anything but enlightened.  I spotlight this note from your initial post:  Nintendo gamers didn't start phasing out 3rd party companies after 3rd party companies started ignoring them--it was entirely the other way around, and has been that way since the N64.  

Nintendo gamers ignore third party games and companies en masse.  Worse, when it came to the Wii and DS, which were championed as reinventing gaming and ushering in a world of different games and unique perspectives--the Nintendo fans cheered.  Then ignored damn near every unique title to land on either system--including some from Nintendo, such as Sin & Punishment.  

You're right that Nintendo fans won't support 3rd party titles on the Wii U--because they don't support them on any other Nintendo system either.  A fantastic example is a brilliant Grand Theft Auto title for the DS struggling to be the worst selling GTA game in two generations.  Unique exclusives on the Wii like Deadly Creatures, Cursed Mountain, Lost in Shadow, Red Steel 2, No More Heroes 2, House of the Dead Overkill & 2 Resident Evil shooters (originally exclusives), among others went largely ignored as Nintendo fans balked and cried foul at the very games living up to the intentions of the Wii.  

 

Nintendo fans (and the fanboys worst of all) have become incerasingly closed-minded towards anything that isn't crowded with Mario, Link, or Pokemon.  In the end, all they wanted on the Wii was the "same old crap" as everybody else--exact same Resident Evil, exact same Call of Duty, exact same everything.  They wanted nothing to do with anything that was different, unique, or exactly what the Wii and DS were intended for--the very thing they once championed of the two systems.



Resident_Hazard said:
radishhead said:

You have a point, my friends - but I argue that it's more complex than that - I believe that after years of neglect, the Nintendo fanbase has adapted to effectively phase out all caring for these otherwise blockbuster titles. I'm suggesting that even if a Nintendo console, for example the WiiU, was to get a "true" version of the aforementioned titles, then they wouldn't be purchased by the Nintendo fans. If this is true, then it means that the 3rd parties are right about their suspicions that their games don't sell on Nintendo consoles... but the irony is that it would be them that caused this effect in the first place through their negligence.

So, I ask you this question. Let's use CoD, since it's probably the most popular of these franchises - if a mainline CoD game was to appear on the WiiU, would you buy it? If not, is it because you've grown to not care about the "blockbuster" franchises anymore?

Discuss.


Nintendo gamers are anything but enlightened.  I spotlight this note from your initial post:  Nintendo gamers didn't start phasing out 3rd party companies after 3rd party companies started ignoring them--it was entirely the other way around, and has been that way since the N64.  

Nintendo gamers ignore third party games and companies en masse.  Worse, when it came to the Wii and DS, which were championed as reinventing gaming and ushering in a world of different games and unique perspectives--the Nintendo fans cheered.  Then ignored damn near every unique title to land on either system--including some from Nintendo, such as Sin & Punishment.  

You're right that Nintendo fans won't support 3rd party titles on the Wii U--because they don't support them on any other Nintendo system either.  A fantastic example is a brilliant Grand Theft Auto title for the DS struggling to be the worst selling GTA game in two generations.  Unique exclusives on the Wii like Deadly Creatures, Cursed Mountain, Lost in Shadow, Red Steel 2, No More Heroes 2, House of the Dead Overkill & 2 Resident Evil shooters (originally exclusives), among others went largely ignored as Nintendo fans balked and cried foul at the very games living up to the intentions of the Wii.  

 

Nintendo fans (and the fanboys worst of all) have become incerasingly closed-minded towards anything that isn't crowded with Mario, Link, or Pokemon.  In the end, all they wanted on the Wii was the "same old crap" as everybody else--exact same Resident Evil, exact same Call of Duty, exact same everything.  They wanted nothing to do with anything that was different, unique, or exactly what the Wii and DS were intended for--the very thing they once championed of the two systems.

oh man i love it, where you been?? One thing, I think GTA Advance holds the crown for worst selling GTA games.

But i agree with you on the last paragraph, too many times ive seen posters, just on this site complain about not getting the same thing. although its pretty evident that WIi is not the same as the others.



My roomie owns a Wii, I play my Nintendo games on it, I play Nintndo games on my 3DS, enjoy Sony games on my PS2, and love playing COD BO on my buddy's 360. I'm a Nintendo fan, and also love PC games. Good good?