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spurgeonryan said:
Brosnan is your least favorite?

What about the guy who plays bond in this movie, or the guy from Hot Fuzz who played bond in the early 90's, or lazenby?

Brosnan is right behind Connery. I.M.O and in many others opinions as well. Goldeneye alone cemented his spot at number two!

I thought Brosnan was at his best in Tomorrow Never Dies.



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MontanaHatchet said:
Excellent review Amp, loved reading it. I especially enjoyed reading the comparison between the recent Casino Royale film and this one. Seems Le Chiffre was a strong point in both films. I also really liked the part where you mentioned the final poker hand in the 2006 version.  Easily the most unlikely thing to ever happen in a Bond movie.

Great job Amp, keep it up!

I'm not so sure about that.  Tanya Roberts being sexually attrated to a 167 year old Roger Moore in A View To A Kill was also pretty unlikely.



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zuvuyeay said:
spurgeonryan said:
Brosnan is your least favorite?

What about the guy who plays bond in this movie, or the guy from Hot Fuzz who played bond in the early 90's, or lazenby?

Brosnan is right behind Connery. I.M.O and in many others opinions as well. Goldeneye alone cemented his spot at number two!



not for me,but we will have to see i prefer lazenby and dalton,timothy dalton was the 80's wasn't he i like the tommorow never dies story of the media manipulator,here is a chance for brosnan to see how he really shapes up in the world of bond

and the guy we just watched is not a real bond movie if you ask me

First off, I don't consider Barry Nelson to be a real Bond either.  It was a completely different character the way that it was done.

Out of the official Bonds, I also rank Brosnan last.  Sure, he was a good looking guy and could charm the pants off of the ladies, but he was not convincing as a tough guy at all.  When Connery, Lazenby, or Craig punched someone there was no question that it would hurt.  When Brosnan would, you were afraid that he broke a nail or something.  Also, his portrayal of Bond to me was similar to Roger Moore in the way that it seemed as though he was more interested in spitting out one liners than getting the job done.  The thing is, Roger Moore actually was much better at the comedic stuff and in that way Brosnan comes across as Roger Moore Lite.  I know that many people disagree with me and list Brosnan as their 2nd favorite or even sometimes top Bond ever, but I never saw him that way.

Now I really like the movie GoldenEye, but Pierce Brosnan was not why (I didn't care for the next three nearly as much).  The plot and villians were the reason why it was a good film. 



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spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
zuvuyeay said:
spurgeonryan said:
Brosnan is your least favorite?

What about the guy who plays bond in this movie, or the guy from Hot Fuzz who played bond in the early 90's, or lazenby?

Brosnan is right behind Connery. I.M.O and in many others opinions as well. Goldeneye alone cemented his spot at number two!



not for me,but we will have to see i prefer lazenby and dalton,timothy dalton was the 80's wasn't he i like the tommorow never dies story of the media manipulator,here is a chance for brosnan to see how he really shapes up in the world of bond

and the guy we just watched is not a real bond movie if you ask me

First off, I don't consider Barry Nelson to be a real Bond either.  It was a completely different character the way that it was done.

Out of the official Bonds, I also rank Brosnan last.  Sure, he was a good looking guy and could charm the pants off of the ladies, but he was not convincing as a tough guy at all.  When Connery, Lazenby, or Craig punched someone there was no question that it would hurt.  When Brosnan would, you were afraid that he broke a nail or something.  Also, his portrayal of Bond to me was similar to Roger Moore in the way that it seemed as though he was more interested in spitting out one liners than getting the job done.  The thing is, Roger Moore actually was much better at the comedic stuff and in that way Brosnan comes across as Roger Moore Lite.  I know that many people disagree with me and list Brosnan as their 2nd favorite or even sometimes top Bond ever, but I never saw him that way.

Now I really like the movie GoldenEye, but Pierce Brosnan was not why (I didn't care for the next three nearly as much).  The plot and villians were the reason why it was a good film. 

You liked Goldeneye. That is reason enough why Brosnan is number 2. If Sean Connery would have made just one movie "From Russia with Love", he still would have been the best Bond ever! Brosnan worked his ass off in Goldeneye, and some would say Die Another Day as well. Surfing Tsunamis, Fighting in Planes plummeting to Earth, Battling Sean Bean (One of the best villains ever!) flew an airplane off of a cliff while riding a motorcycle, etc.

Bond does not have to be a tough guy, Sean Connery was not all that tough, and neither was Mr. Moore for that matter.

1. Connery vs Odd Job

2. Connery vs Guy in train in From Russia with Love

I think that people have forgotten that Bond has not always been the running, parkay jumping, pain bearing, beat to a pulp agent like Daniel Craig portrays in the recent movies. I think Casino Royale was no different than the Casino Royale in this movie here. They were testing the waters. Back then it was more of a 'How do we do this Bond thing'. Recently it was how do we compete with Jason Bourne, and get back to reality after the previous Bond films (with Brosnan). Did you see the 2 points that I made above this paragraph? Bond did not automatically win because he was some sort of tough guy. Yes, it helped in  his fight with Grant, but it was not the reason the tables had turned. Ingenuity. Connery had it and so did Brosnan. You saw it in Brosnans eyes whenever he was on screen. From the very beginning of Goldeneye he was already one step ahead even though he was up shit creek. Reducing the time on the bombs, pushing the cart to the conveyor belt, F**K!-flying off a cliff on a motorcycle to catch a plane as it careened off a cliff to its doom only to fly it out while the whole airport blew up in the back ground!

I think Brosnan deserves much more respect. He may not have been tough, but he had the balls an no-how to get the job done. Always!

GoldenEye was a very good Bond film, but not one of the best.  I would rank many Bond films higher.  Anyway, I do not rank the actors by how good the movies were that they were in.  To me On Her Majesty's Secret Service was probably the best non-Connery, but that doesn't make Lazenby my second favorite Bond.

I am not saying that Bond always won in the end because of his fighting ability, but it definitely is a factor.  This man is not only an agent for the secret service, but he works for the Double 0 Section.  This means that he has a license to kill.  Why is this?  It's because he is highly skilled in not only weapon proficiency, but also in hand to hand combat.  Of course he has to rely on ingenuity against guys like Odd Job and Jaws since they would be unbeatable otherwise, but he should be able to dispose of most opponents (with his bare hands) easily.  

I don't know what Connery movies you were watching where he wasn't that tough.  There are many sequences that involve brawling and he was very convincing in them.  I couldn't even tell you how many times he one hit KO-ed someone.  Brosnan even has done it.  He did that hold both hands up spin around and punch somebody out move on more than one occasion and every time that I see it, I shake my head in disbelief.  

To me the reason that Moore and Brosnan are guys that push buttons and blow things up more than the other Bonds is because even the film makers know that they aren't very believable in the physical action sequences.     



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MontanaHatchet said:
Excellent review Amp, loved reading it. I especially enjoyed reading the comparison between the recent Casino Royale film and this one. Seems Le Chiffre was a strong point in both films. I also really liked the part where you mentioned the final poker hand in the 2006 version.  Easily the most unlikely thing to ever happen in a Bond movie.

Great job Amp, keep it up!

What did you find so unlikely about it? Haven't seen it in a while, but I don't remember it being rediculously out of the ordinary. Was it the hand he got, or something else?





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yes i like that 1951 casino royale as it is bonds first visual appearance,so must be acknowledged,its just more of a screen play we might say over here,it was just for tv anyway wasn't it,

roger moore was my bond growing up,the spy who loved me,moonraker,for your eyes only(some great songs there too,i love the carly simon bond song) would be my introduction to bond at teh cinema,when you used to wait until the end credits and it would say james bond will return in octopussy,good times

so it is differnet for everyone roger moore was cheesy but at least it worked with him and he is in some serioulsy good bond films,i'd say,i think it was a bit unfair on dalton,he tried a revamp from moores cheesy bond like craig got but no one was ready for it,i don't think any of them are bad and fair play if you make it as james bond,who are we to criticise that,haha.didn't dalton lose his licence to kill,its quite a good story,i think the other is a drug boss but i can't rightly remember if there is any film series that all blur into one its bond films,there are so many

now brosnan got all the media love for rebooting bond and to be fair 1990-96 is what i call my drug years,a blackout if you will,so he went under my radar as many films did in that period and i had to watch them later,so i missed his big kick off as bond,i look forward to getting to know the brosnan bond,i kind iof remember tomorrow never dies with prryce as the baddie and bits of goldeneye but thats about it and carlyle with the bullet going into his brain,a good touch for a villain but they sure aren't no man with the golden gun,hehe



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spurgeonryan said:
I was born in 1982, but still grew up on Sean Connery. Maybe it was because my Dad was a Connery fan, I do not know. For some reason I skipped all the Roger Moore stuff until I was older. Now it all just seems too cheesy. Maybe if I would have watched it back then it would have been better.



i agree,i saw connery too on the telly,but i was talkkiing about the cinema really and i admit he is very cheesy

that is also what i mean't to say after dalton the bond songs jsut went unto lunacy,why oh why mess with suc a beautiful concept,for me the new casino royale was almost a perfect reboot,even the titles were up to standard but why have that song,i'm not saying they are all bad but this is bond,you know if you aren't a classy singer you shouldn't be touching a bond film in my opinion



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spurgeonryan said:
zuvuyeay said:
spurgeonryan said:
I was born in 1982, but still grew up on Sean Connery. Maybe it was because my Dad was a Connery fan, I do not know. For some reason I skipped all the Roger Moore stuff until I was older. Now it all just seems too cheesy. Maybe if I would have watched it back then it would have been better.



i agree,i saw connery too on the telly,but i was talkkiing about the cinema really and i admit he is very cheesy

that is also what i mean't to say after dalton the bond songs jsut went unto lunacy,why oh why mess with suc a beautiful concept,for me the new casino royale was almost a perfect reboot,even the titles were up to standard but why have that song,i'm not saying they are all bad but this is bond,you know if you aren't a classy singer you shouldn't be touching a bond film in my opinion

I agree that Daniel Craig has done a much better job bringing the series out of the past, compared to Brosnan. Less crazy gadgets (if you want gadgets that are actually close to real check out M.I 4) and more realistic ones to fill in its place. Out of all the bonds I would say that Daniel Craig is the toughest, "as Amp would say". Sadly he does not seem to be able to transition out of the role in his other roles so well. He frowned and looked cool as ice throughout all of Cowboys and Aliens as well. At least he plays a great blond haired bond!


that reminds me i haven't seen cowboys and aliens yet,it has harry ford in too doesn't it,craig wanted to go back to the cold bond i think,but casino royale is jsut a good film too,and has a stunning eva green in it who i adore,i love the line she says when they are on the train or something and she says so james do you see women as meaningful pursuits or disposable pleasures,a great line for me

not sure why they wanted to start quantum of solace 15mins/1 day after casino roayle or whatever is going on there but naybe i am wrong,i've watched quantum of solace but don't really remeber what is going on apart from that building in the desert or wherever



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Quantum of Solace was a direct sequel?

Ok now I'm not even sure I've seen it.
Wait, did Casino Royale end at the bit where Bond phones the cream suited guy then shoots him in the leg from afar?



TWRoO said:
Quantum of Solace was a direct sequel?

Ok now I'm not even sure I've seen it.
Wait, did Casino Royale end at the bit where Bond phones the cream suited guy then shoots him in the leg from afar?


it did end like that didn't it,quantum of solace is supposed to start straight after casino royale or something,time wise

i need to see QoS again to be honest,i have only seen it once



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