Depends on what you mean by old. You could say thast the Wii is the oldest console as it uses older tech under the hood, which is why Ninty had to be first out of the gate for the next gen.

Unless the company says "sold through", sales almost always means shipped. I recall MS saying Kinect had sold through XX millions by...errrr...May was It? or was it end of financial year for them?

I would be surprised if VGC was 1.6 million out, and 66M shipped vs 64.4M sold to consumers is a pretty good correlation. VGC LTD shipped v sold correlation was pretty much on the money for 360 in the June-Sept Q. I am a tad leery of the 18 million Kinects vs the VGC LTD for Kinect Adventures. That's a rather wide gap for Kinect. I wouldn't think retailers would want that much headroom for Kinect, but maybe retailers in the US forward ordered a lot to make sure they weren't short, or maybe retailers in Europe over estimated demand. Or maybe VGC has undertracked Kinect by about 1 million.

This has been an interesting year for PS3 vs 360 sales. I wonder if 2012 will be the same, relatively. It certainly seems like PS3 will never catch 360 in 360's lifetime.

Nobody is saying 1.6m out, more like 800k, which is in line with previous years for stock on shelves for 360. 1.6m is waaay higher than normal.

The 360 never sold because of legitimate library, it sold to casuals and its still holding on. Kinect is selling Faster than the 360 did itself. This should tell you something. In the end its down to Halo alone this year (if you havent already played the Witcher 2 on PC). Kinect will still be going strong. No one has ever doubted Kinects ability to sell.

Actually kinect shipped/sold 5m~ in Q4, vs 8.4m+ 360's. If 3m of those kinects are new users with the other 2 current core 360 owners. Then that suggests much less than half of 360 purchasers are casuals this holiday.

Oh wow, this just made the "360 will overtake PS" thread a lot more interesting. How the fuck could VGC be that off though? Seems like a lot for the 360 to be off. I mean I understand when it happens to the PS3 a lot more because of all the different regions worldwide but not the 360. Ok then, so what's next? Is it just Ballmer's word or is there another level of confirmation for global numbers? If this is true then that's crazy and I hope my fellow 360 supporters can be classy about it.

My master chief is better.

Yeah right, looks more like Robocop to me :P Besides, mine was here first.

Lol, the simpler the better.

That's true, a nice simple Robocop is probably a good thing.

Actually here is your Chief's ancestor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eun7SmpNr1I&feature=related

No offense, but legitimate library? Are you serious? I hate the kinect don't get me wrong, but how isn't it ligitimate library?