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Jumpin said:

spurgeonryan said:

Why can't Christian's accept Evolution?

Actually, I think mostly all Christians in the western world do accept evolution. The Catholic Church also officially accepts evolution.

The Christians who do not accept evolution, don't accept it for the same reason that any non-Christian who don't believe evolution wouldn't accept it - it is a matter of not being educated about evolution. I would say that nearly 100% of (if not all) liberal Christians accept evolution - I also think that the majority of Christians in the western world are liberal Christians.

I also feel that the atheist perception that all Christians don't accept evolution is a product of neo-atheist prejudice/ignorance.

It seems as if  that you've not spent much time in the United States (especially the Southern Parts) where 70% of the Christians believe in the Literal Truth of The Bible and reject the notion of Evolution being taught in schools.



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nnodley said:
Adobo said:
Why is it always the Christians? I would say some people don't and that's their opinion. FYI I am Christian and believes on Big Bang Theory. I even love the freaking t.v. show.

Exactly, why is it always christians who get dragged into this type of stuff. Im christian too and i don't believe in evolution or the big bang, but thats just what i believe in.  It's my business what i believe in.  When i've grown up my whole life believing in God and the bible, im not just gonna change my views from what i believe is right.  The one thing i don't like is that a lot of people believe that christians always try to make people believe in what they believe in.  When really most of us don't or at least from where im from we don't.  Ya some do but thats a whole other story.  

If someone wants to believe in something that i don't then thats fine by me.  


Yeah, but it's not like these Christians just hold their belifs in a vacuum where what they believe in has no effect on others.  For example if Christians had gone along in more numbers with Obama instead of being afraid that he was a Muslim then he might have actually gotten more of the good things he promised to do during his 2008 campaign speeches done, also Christians like the 70% of The Fundamentalists in the US are really going to pushing for social changes if they think the world is going to end soon and that Jesus is going to come back and give them everything they need, also their religion makes them push for things like war in the Middle East since that's what their religion tells them is supposed to happen, and they deny homosexuals things like gay marriage and try to do away with abortion because they think that God thinks those things are wrong.

I agree with what you say about people being entitled to their beliefs; however, I also don't think that those beliefs that they're allowed to hold should be allowed to have any effect on those that don't subscribe to them.



EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:

spurgeonryan said:

Why can't Christian's accept Evolution?

Actually, I think mostly all Christians in the western world do accept evolution. The Catholic Church also officially accepts evolution.

The Christians who do not accept evolution, don't accept it for the same reason that any non-Christian who don't believe evolution wouldn't accept it - it is a matter of not being educated about evolution. I would say that nearly 100% of (if not all) liberal Christians accept evolution - I also think that the majority of Christians in the western world are liberal Christians.

I also feel that the atheist perception that all Christians don't accept evolution is a product of neo-atheist prejudice/ignorance.

It seems as if  that you've not spent much time in the United States (especially the Southern Parts) where 70% of the Christians believe in the Literal Truth of The Bible and reject the notion of Evolution being taught in schools.


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Player1x3 said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:

spurgeonryan said:

Why can't Christian's accept Evolution?

Actually, I think mostly all Christians in the western world do accept evolution. The Catholic Church also officially accepts evolution.

The Christians who do not accept evolution, don't accept it for the same reason that any non-Christian who don't believe evolution wouldn't accept it - it is a matter of not being educated about evolution. I would say that nearly 100% of (if not all) liberal Christians accept evolution - I also think that the majority of Christians in the western world are liberal Christians.

I also feel that the atheist perception that all Christians don't accept evolution is a product of neo-atheist prejudice/ignorance.

It seems as if  that you've not spent much time in the United States (especially the Southern Parts) where 70% of the Christians believe in the Literal Truth of The Bible and reject the notion of Evolution being taught in schools.


it seems southeast america =  world

If you live there it is.  But one also has to take into account that the US is the most powerful nation on earth and its policies are shaped to a large extent by the 70% of Fundamantalists that live there.  For example, if Obamaisn't re-elected in November, then he's probably going to be replaced by a wannabe Theocrat with a heavy interest in supporting wars in the Middle East stemming from his religion.



spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!

Continuing on with the anecdotal evidence this thread is based on, I would like to point out that I am an Australian who attended a prominent Christian School, and they were perfectly happy to teach evolution in tandem with religion, most Christians in the school believing the Big Bang and Evolution were God's work.



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thranx said:
theprof00 said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!


If your talking about the US. I think you would be wrong. I think you are generalising christians all together when they should not be. There are many types with many different levels of belief. I think many non christians mistake the veiws of christians. I have personaly never met a single person who does not believe in some part of evolution. At the same time, evolution is still a theory and is not the end all be all explanation for life and how we came to be.

 

using the word theory as if it is just a guess until we have proof of something else is undermining the term quite a bit.

A theory is a carefully put together explanation of why things happen.

In terms of "speciation", which is what the theory of evolution attempts to explain, it is an explanation why speciation occurs.

Micro-evolution is a proven process. It is testable and repeatable and predictable. However, the main problem that people have with evolution is that scientists extrapolate this micro evolution across species into larger genera. There isn't much evidence to support this because there is simply no way to test it or show it within the short span of time we've been around.

However, the concept of evolution is 100% proven. Nothing will prove it wrong.

There is no, like, graduation from theory to law or fact etc etc, because they all mean different things. A theory in day to day conversation is not scientific theory.


as far as how humans came to be evolution is very much just a "theory." There are far too many missing pieces in the chain. That is all i said. I never said evolution does not happen, i said it is not the end be all explaniton for how things are today, and that is true. Its a theory that is missing pieces to explain it all. It explains some things, and does it rather well, but not everything.

 

edit: in retrospect i could of worded the last sentance slightly differently, but in the sense of what people where talking about in the thread as far as humans evolving it stands.


1. Never say ''just a theory'', theories are scrutinized, tested and supported by the scientific evidence currently available (which in this case is staggering).

2. The evolution of our species is not a simple chain, that is a gross oversimplification.

3. There is no such thing as missing links, transitional fossils map out an excellent picture of our species' evolutionary ancestry.

4. You have Internet access and enough free time to educate yourself with no cost other than a bit of effort, for the love of f**k do so please.



thranx said:
theprof00 said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!


If your talking about the US. I think you would be wrong. I think you are generalising christians all together when they should not be. There are many types with many different levels of belief. I think many non christians mistake the veiws of christians. I have personaly never met a single person who does not believe in some part of evolution. At the same time, evolution is still a theory and is not the end all be all explanation for life and how we came to be.

 

using the word theory as if it is just a guess until we have proof of something else is undermining the term quite a bit.

A theory is a carefully put together explanation of why things happen.

In terms of "speciation", which is what the theory of evolution attempts to explain, it is an explanation why speciation occurs.

Micro-evolution is a proven process. It is testable and repeatable and predictable. However, the main problem that people have with evolution is that scientists extrapolate this micro evolution across species into larger genera. There isn't much evidence to support this because there is simply no way to test it or show it within the short span of time we've been around.

However, the concept of evolution is 100% proven. Nothing will prove it wrong.

There is no, like, graduation from theory to law or fact etc etc, because they all mean different things. A theory in day to day conversation is not scientific theory.


as far as how humans came to be evolution is very much just a "theory." There are far too many missing pieces in the chain. That is all i said. I never said evolution does not happen, i said it is not the end be all explaniton for how things are today, and that is true. Its a theory that is missing pieces to explain it all. It explains some things, and does it rather well, but not everything.

 

edit: in retrospect i could of worded the last sentance slightly differently, but in the sense of what people where talking about in the thread as far as humans evolving it stands.

My only disagreement is that you said it's "only a theory".

While the human aspect of evolution is actually NOT a theory, as it is not able to be proven given the amount of time we have, we HAVE been able to show that evolution exists. You can evolve simple bacteria and paramecium quite easily, and viruses can become completely different viruses after adaption. We haven't been able to show that more complex creatures evolve because there simply hasn't been enough time. If we had been looking at evolution since the 3rd century, and apating animals into different species, we could have shown it. In 2-300 years or maybe as long as 5000 years, we very well could show it.

However, it is widely accepted that less complicated creatures and organisms represent more complex creatures as they all follow the same basic principles. For example, we test on mice to see what effects would be on humans, and insects follow the same basic principles of life as we do.

So yes, while we can't show evolution in highly complex species, it is PROVEN that it exists. And one day in the future, it will be proven for complex creatures. It is a basic tenet of science that something must be proven to be a fact. There is no reason for you to dispute it because eventually it will be proven. Whereas creationism will never be.



bouzane said:
thranx said:
theprof00 said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!


If your talking about the US. I think you would be wrong. I think you are generalising christians all together when they should not be. There are many types with many different levels of belief. I think many non christians mistake the veiws of christians. I have personaly never met a single person who does not believe in some part of evolution. At the same time, evolution is still a theory and is not the end all be all explanation for life and how we came to be.

 

using the word theory as if it is just a guess until we have proof of something else is undermining the term quite a bit.

A theory is a carefully put together explanation of why things happen.

In terms of "speciation", which is what the theory of evolution attempts to explain, it is an explanation why speciation occurs.

Micro-evolution is a proven process. It is testable and repeatable and predictable. However, the main problem that people have with evolution is that scientists extrapolate this micro evolution across species into larger genera. There isn't much evidence to support this because there is simply no way to test it or show it within the short span of time we've been around.

However, the concept of evolution is 100% proven. Nothing will prove it wrong.

There is no, like, graduation from theory to law or fact etc etc, because they all mean different things. A theory in day to day conversation is not scientific theory.


as far as how humans came to be evolution is very much just a "theory." There are far too many missing pieces in the chain. That is all i said. I never said evolution does not happen, i said it is not the end be all explaniton for how things are today, and that is true. Its a theory that is missing pieces to explain it all. It explains some things, and does it rather well, but not everything.

 

edit: in retrospect i could of worded the last sentance slightly differently, but in the sense of what people where talking about in the thread as far as humans evolving it stands.


1. Never say ''just a theory'', theories are scrutinized, tested and supported by the scientific evidence currently available (which in this case is staggering).

2. The evolution of our species is not a simple chain, that is a gross oversimplification.

3. There is no such thing as missing links, transitional fossils map out an excellent picture of our species' evolutionary ancestry.

4. You have Internet access and enough free time to educate yourself with no cost other than a bit of effort, for the love of f**k do so please.


Wow condensiung much? Perhaps you should read that evidence and links. Show me the path of human evolution form a simple creature... oh wahts that you can't? I understand that, because it has not been verified to what has happeneded to the human species. So please save your educaate myself and please read up on some facts and not just accept things. I prefer acctual eveidence, not speculation and misssing peices.



theprof00 said:
thranx said:
theprof00 said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!


If your talking about the US. I think you would be wrong. I think you are generalising christians all together when they should not be. There are many types with many different levels of belief. I think many non christians mistake the veiws of christians. I have personaly never met a single person who does not believe in some part of evolution. At the same time, evolution is still a theory and is not the end all be all explanation for life and how we came to be.

 

using the word theory as if it is just a guess until we have proof of something else is undermining the term quite a bit.

A theory is a carefully put together explanation of why things happen.

In terms of "speciation", which is what the theory of evolution attempts to explain, it is an explanation why speciation occurs.

Micro-evolution is a proven process. It is testable and repeatable and predictable. However, the main problem that people have with evolution is that scientists extrapolate this micro evolution across species into larger genera. There isn't much evidence to support this because there is simply no way to test it or show it within the short span of time we've been around.

However, the concept of evolution is 100% proven. Nothing will prove it wrong.

There is no, like, graduation from theory to law or fact etc etc, because they all mean different things. A theory in day to day conversation is not scientific theory.


as far as how humans came to be evolution is very much just a "theory." There are far too many missing pieces in the chain. That is all i said. I never said evolution does not happen, i said it is not the end be all explaniton for how things are today, and that is true. Its a theory that is missing pieces to explain it all. It explains some things, and does it rather well, but not everything.

 

edit: in retrospect i could of worded the last sentance slightly differently, but in the sense of what people where talking about in the thread as far as humans evolving it stands.

My only disagreement is that you said it's "only a theory".

While the human aspect of evolution is actually NOT a theory, as it is not able to be proven given the amount of time we have, we HAVE been able to show that evolution exists. You can evolve simple bacteria and paramecium quite easily, and viruses can become completely different viruses after adaption. We haven't been able to show that more complex creatures evolve because there simply hasn't been enough time. If we had been looking at evolution since the 3rd century, and apating animals into different species, we could have shown it. In 2-300 years or maybe as long as 5000 years, we very well could show it.

However, it is widely accepted that less complicated creatures and organisms represent more complex creatures as they all follow the same basic principles. For example, we test on mice to see what effects would be on humans, and insects follow the same basic principles of life as we do.

So yes, while we can't show evolution in highly complex species, it is PROVEN that it exists. And one day in the future, it will be proven for complex creatures. It is a basic tenet of science that something must be proven to be a fact. There is no reason for you to dispute it because eventually it will be proven. Whereas creationism will never be.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

 

Definition of THEORY

1
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2
: abstract thought : speculation
3
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4
a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6
a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
So what part of what i said does not fall under those defintitons?
It is still just a theory. It proves some aspects of how some creautires came to be. It is not a fact of how humans came to be and can not be proved as such. So its a "theory" with all that implies. Do not try to make it more than it to be. We were talking on the evolution of humans, not on if evolution occurs or is possible. So please exaplin to me how the theory of human evoluiton is somehow a proven fact, and not a combination of ideas thought to be true but not proven so.


EdHieron said:
Player1x3 said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:

spurgeonryan said:

Why can't Christian's accept Evolution?

Actually, I think mostly all Christians in the western world do accept evolution. The Catholic Church also officially accepts evolution.

The Christians who do not accept evolution, don't accept it for the same reason that any non-Christian who don't believe evolution wouldn't accept it - it is a matter of not being educated about evolution. I would say that nearly 100% of (if not all) liberal Christians accept evolution - I also think that the majority of Christians in the western world are liberal Christians.

I also feel that the atheist perception that all Christians don't accept evolution is a product of neo-atheist prejudice/ignorance.

It seems as if  that you've not spent much time in the United States (especially the Southern Parts) where 70% of the Christians believe in the Literal Truth of The Bible and reject the notion of Evolution being taught in schools.


it seems southeast america =  world

If you live there it is.  But one also has to take into account that the US is the most powerful nation on earth and its policies are shaped to a large extent by the 70% of Fundamantalists that live there.  For example, if Obamaisn't re-elected in November, then he's probably going to be replaced by a wannabe Theocrat with a heavy interest in supporting wars in the Middle East stemming from his religion.

I doubt that it would stem from religion but more a desire for resources. Religion would be used as it always has been; a source of propaganda and the perfect excuse for the masses.