ok, so i gave Jack credit for SS and ND which you're saying isn't credit he deserves which i can agree with. it seems north America can do without Trenton from your perspective.

i guess Sony as a whole is missing a more aggresive strategy.

maybe Sony are looking at the fact that for most of this gen., they've had to fight, claw, and cratch thier way back having create their own ip to have any chance this gen, so their relying on themselves v 3rd party support?

i'm not sure Sony even knows what to do with move? move has so much potential for the hardcore, and the family friendly, but the software just isn't there. i'd like to know what Sonys next step is(from thier serspective, not our's), cause what ever it is, will  determine how move will be used, and viewed in the future, and for the most part, moves potential has yet to be shown.

i think KB would be better as a mainstream v the core. it seems EA and Ubisoft are Sonys last chance next yr. a special edition AC consolecould help

medieval nights, the fight light's out, (i have yet to play either game, and reviews are opinions)and Sorcery are steps in the right direction, but they have yet to make move or the later 2 ip mentioned seem relevant.

i think with Sorcery, move will have that presence, considering it's amongst vgc PS members, most anticipated ip, but it can't be the only thing in their move library for 2012.

i'm not really sure what SCEJ and SCEE can do at this point, but i'd like to see something within the next few months. it'd nice to know what those 2 have been working on as of late. 

From there you can see how the X360 eventually got adjusted down by over 700K. The "over 51 million" for X360 that VGC had on New years eve '10/11 has been adjusted down to 50,3 million as of today's numbers.

Instead the PS3 got adjusted up by 200K or something like that.

Really doubt PS3 is flat Year on Year sales when considering there are great deals going on in North America and that it's just had its biggest November although we will have to wait for NPD to prove that

@Slimebeast With all due respect to VGChartz, the numbers they provide are just guestimates. They may be guesses based on informed data. They may even use real retail data, but the numbers are guesses meant to offer a guide as to how the industry is doing.

Anyone assuming there won't be adjustments (up or down) to the number is taking the numbers too seriously.

Having said that, VGChartz overtracked Xbox 360 sales because of the simple fact that they weren't privy to lack of inventory available in the chain. So their numbers assumed a continued demand that extended from the December.

I would agree with someone else though, the best discussion is regarding the estimated sales currently projected, not what, or how much they'll be adjusted. That's best left to a different thread.

Did you know the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 worldwide in 2009 and 2010? Shocking isn't it? Its ahead of 360 this year too. It will be close though.

I'm guessing you're one of those people that think America = The World.

So if I read this correctly this is what I have.

Looks like the PS3 from BF through the end of the year was adjusted net up of 3,713.

Looks like the 360 from BF through the end of the year was adjusted net down 88,663 which can be attributed nearly all to the final week when VGC was not yet aware of 360 shortages. Actually prior to that final week the adjustments were net up 99,169.

Kevin Butler could make the jump back to being much more mainstream than where he's at now, but what I'm seeing is that Sony is going to mostly move away from Butler. Bad move, but they've had about 5 commercials over the holiday (so far) and Butler has been in one and it wasn't that good.

Jack Tretton took over as President and CEO SCEA after Kaz Hirai ran during the PS1 and PS2 eras. By the time Jack took over the PS2 was weakening because the new generation had started. I wouldn't pin everything on Jack, but as a leader he is leading the American branch that is about 20 million units outsold by the second place console in the war (360), which its self was almost 8 million units outsold by the leading system. Of course Kaz had the brilliant Ken Kutaragi leading the division. Even with that though Kaz has been pushed for the complete rebranding of the PS3, new advertising, bringing the game developers in to make the Vita.

Tretton can't succeed. He barks ALOT, but he has no bite.

PlayStation Move does have so much potential. I know it might sound bad, but SCEI needs to force top notch developers to make games for the controller. Games that require the controller and then bundle them together for a year.

SCEJ over saw Gran Turismo 5: Prologue and Gran Turismo 5 (combined have sold over 11 million units, I believe) and SCEE has LittleBigPlanet that rivals Uncharted in terms of sales and then there is KillZone that also performs pretty well.

For the third party thing Sony has strengthened their WorldWide Studios to rival Nintendo's (Yes, I did say that, deal with it Nintendoites). They need to finish this generation stronger on the third party side than they started. The PS2 was so dominate because Sony was making outstanding first party games and was getting outstanding third party exclusives.

Please prove your work, because what I could gather from that was the the PS3 was adjusted up 3,713 and the 360 down 88,663. See my other post for more detail.

Wow at OoT having its best week ever.

Yeah I'm not sure where Slimebeasts 360 getting adjusted down 700k figure came from. In fact all that proves is that the myth of the PS3 only getting adjusted up for the holidays and the 360 only getting adjusted down for the holidays is not so true.