i can not disagree with you. you are right.

but it does happen, this video proves it, the thing is, its extremely rare, and when it does happen, it wont be for long.

because like you said its an extremely bad business practice, if you treat animals like this, then you are going to get found out, and you wont be in business very long. for example there was a recent story about one of the egg suppliers for McDonalds, it showed that the farm abused their chickens. Well guess what happened, McDonalds, being the smart company they are, didnt want to be affliated with animal cruelity (because that would lose them business), they dropped that supplier, and now that egg farm just lost the biggest buyer they had. and are in big financial trouble.

so now, Mcdonalds gets food from non-abusive farms (whats more suprising was that they used real eggs), and the farm that abbused animals, lost a ton of business, and none of this happened because of regulation, but rather the free market.

edit: and i too find it rather funny that they were trying to make it seem as if the nail to head was cruel. thats one of the most painless and quickest ways to go about it. if you want humain slaughter, thats the way you do it. prapaganda sure is funny.

Right, this is not the norm at the moment.
The more the consumer want meet at a lower price, the more situations like in the movie becoming the norm.

Think twice what you are willing to pay / not to pay for meet.

Meet was alway a luxury good (and meet in good quality still is)- because of factory farming most people forgot this.

The lion only kills other animals, because it needs to do it to survive - modern civilisations kill animals to satisfy a necessity, not a exigency.

Thanks for postig.

Watch Food Inc. - it's really shocking but very interesting

I'm sure most farmers will try to be ethical when they can, but poor living conditions are a symptom of an economy with a high demand. No doubt, what that video showed us were the absolute worst cases though.

Although I'm ignorant on the matter, I think it's likely that animals that form part of the agricultural process will not have a happy life, but surely they are not regularly abused to the point shown in that video.

Even so, this practice still does happen, however rare it is. I often attribute it to people being given absolute power over other people's (or animal's) lives*. Whether it's carers for the disabled/elderly, abusive pet owners or corrupt farmers these stories often emerge. Some people can just be naturally abusive and when put in the situation of absolute power their behaviour flourishes.

In a perfect world I would like to see some kind of critical peer observation system to ensure these rare cases of extreme abuse are called to account (speaking in a more general sense here, not just farms). But I'm guessing that either exists already in some cases, or people don't want it because it sounds like an unfruitful hassle.

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On a side note, this video looked like it was made by vengeful militant vegans. They seemed more concerned with showing shocking footage of abuse to try and get some kind of knee-jerk reaction out of people into accepting a vegan lifestyle, rather than actually trying to convince people into a long term sustainable solution (which is what they should be attempting).

It's natural to eat meat, otherwise we wouldn't have stereoscopic vision and canine teeth. Trying to get people to jerk themselves into veganism isn't going to work because you'll be trying to convince people to go against their natural source of some nutritional requirements. You'll never make a serious change that way. But telling people that eating meat is fine, just try to buy it from an ethical source when you can would be a far more sustainable solution and one that people will be more ready to adopt (then again, I may be skewed because I was brought up in a family that placed great value on ethically sourced meat. Maybe many people wont accept that either :/)

/Rant

(*Although sometimes I often think it could even be some form of Milgram type obedience by workers where they may behave completely differently (violently) because they are instructed to)

The video is propaganda without nuance but it still reveals malpractice against animals on a large scale level. Also it's wrong to stuff chicken and pigs in small cages like that, it should be forbidden but it isn't.

I've seen this kind of video, I'm not sure if I've seen this particular video or not - It was pretty bad, even by internet standards, so I don't really want to watch it to make sure :(

I am, for once, in agreement with you. Ultimately this sort of thing needs to be done

The only caveat i would introduce is that we need people who expose animal cruelty and who make videos like this, because this in turn creates that public demand for humane treatment of animals which serves as the reliable pressure against businesses to only do business with those who are reasonably humane rather than inhumane. If nobody cared, then you get a race to the bottom

Truth behind meat consumption:

Its delicious.

Edit: I posted that before watching the video. I then watched 1:19 of the video before I couldn't watch anymore. All I can say is its disgusting what the workers were doing in that video. I'm not against the killing of them for food, but I am against the abuse. People who do that kind of shit should be jailed. 

fuck jailed, I'm all about equal punishment, have them abused and slaughtered the same way they slaughtered the animals. 

jesus christ i got through a minute of that and had to stop. JFC