lestatdark said:
Dr.Grass said:
binary solo said:
Dr.Grass said:
binary solo said:
That's the situation in countries with poor animal welfare laws and feedlot farming.
The only complete falsehood in the video is that death by carbon dioxide is not painful. CO2 suffication is like faling into a pleasant sleep and is the least stressfull of all methods of slaughter.
Castration of pigs is banned in many countries. You can buy free range / cage free eggs, and you can buy free range chicken and pork. You can get pasture raised beef, and pasture farmed dairy.
Most countries have strict welfare laws regarding slaughter methods..
You can buy ethical animal products, you just have to do some checking and not simply buy blind. But you'll also pay a bit more too. |
All of this 'sophistication' is just so that people feel good about themselves.
IT'S BULLSHIT.
They still seer off chickens beaks for instance... Why do you focus so much on how nice they are to the animals and ignore the fact that they grow them just to kill them. AND, these people do it for a living, which means they don't give a shit about the animals once they become desensitized to the situation.
- I'm not attacking you ok. Just have to speak my mind here.
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You do realise that the beak is like your toenails right? In "sophisticated" animal welfare countries the de-beaking does not cut into any sensitive tissues. It trims to remove the sharp points, and in free range situations you don't need to debeak at all.
Death is part of the circle of life. I have no moral issue with killing animals for food, it's the manner in which you treat them while they are alive and the manner in which you kill them which can be humane or inhumane, and it is the farming and slaughter practices which need to be well regulated.
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So you're point is that the amount of suffering inflicted upon living entities should be minimized.
Might as well kill plants instead of animals since they suffer significantly less, AND it is doubtlessly more humane. A 5 year old child could tell you that - a 15 year old probably not - due to his conditioning.
"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Actually Plants have a sensorial system just as animals do. Based on the exchange of sugars and peracids between the stomatal cells, they can interchange exterior inputs and react accordingly to any aggression from the outside. They only do it extremely slow.
There have been also researchs that prove that plants have a resemblance of a memory system as well. There's a rather controversial article (funny though, the grand majority of controversy arose from animal protection groups  ) written in 2003 by Anthony Trewavas, one of the leading men in the field of botanics and mollecular signaling that explains it quite well. (And here you go: http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/1/1.full.pdf+html)
OT - As for this video, I've seen it already. It's horrible and nauseating and I really do feel that the people behind such heinous acts should suffer the same fate.
Having said that, this kind of behaviour is only seen in a small population of slaughterhouses, which are banned in a grand majority of places. Here in Portugal, we have strict rules on how to treat farm animals and there's a rigid fiscalization as well. Plus, our diet is more based on fish than meat, hence we're not so big in slaughterhouses.
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A simple child could tell you the difference between picking a cauliflower, and killing an animal of blood and flesh. Amazing that the educated man has to do studies and use grand terms in a conversation so simple (once again, as before, I'm not referring to you specifically, but to the many I've seen making these statements).
What I would greatly appreciate is if any of you would put some video clips of your so-called 'humane slaughterhouses'. Forget about these extreme cases; What I want is for you to point to these 'civilized' systems and tell me with a straight face that this is humane.
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Synonyms: humane, compassionate, humanitarian, merciful
These adjectives mean marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering: a humane physician; compassionate toward impoverished people; released the prisoner for humanitarian reasons; is merciful to the repentant.
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The only thing I can accept is if a person flat-out admits that he only condones the slaughtering of animals because satisfying his palate is more important to him personally. I have many experiences (too many tbh) of people being aggressive towards me because I'm vegetarian. Now that to me is the definition of insanity. This insanity (or self-contradiction if you will) manifests to differing degrees whenever this conversation occurs.
''...Oh, but in our country we treat the animals nicely before we kill them and eat them''
''Oh really, well, if it's so nice then why do you purposefully hide this humane behaviour from your children? That's right, your lying to yourself as much as to them - you're just scared of them confronting you with the truth''
''It's the circle of life - we must kill to survive''
*looks at plate with steak and mushroom sauce*
''Yeah man, I can totally see your point''
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