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Dr.Grass said:
binary solo said:
Dr.Grass said:
binary solo said:
That's the situation in countries with poor animal welfare laws and feedlot farming.

The only complete falsehood in the video is that death by carbon dioxide is not painful. CO2 suffication is like faling into a pleasant sleep and is the least stressfull of all methods of slaughter.

Castration of pigs is banned in many countries. You can buy free range / cage free eggs, and you can buy free range chicken and pork. You can get pasture raised beef, and pasture farmed dairy.

Most countries have strict welfare laws regarding slaughter methods..

You can buy ethical animal products, you just have to do some checking and not simply buy blind. But you'll also pay a bit more too.

All of this 'sophistication' is just so that people feel good about themselves.

IT'S BULLSHIT.

They still seer off chickens beaks for instance... Why do you focus so much on how nice they are to the animals and ignore the fact that they grow them just to kill them. AND, these people do it for a living, which means they don't give a shit about the animals once they become desensitized to the situation.

- I'm not attacking you ok. Just have to speak my mind here.

You do realise that the beak is like your toenails right? In "sophisticated" animal welfare countries the de-beaking does not cut into any sensitive tissues. It trims to remove the sharp points, and in free range situations you don't need to debeak at all.

Death is part of the circle of life. I have no moral issue with killing animals for food, it's the manner in which you treat them while they are alive and the manner in which you kill them which can be humane or inhumane, and it is the farming and slaughter practices which need to be well regulated.


So you're point is that the amount of suffering inflicted upon living entities should be minimized.

Might as well kill plants instead of animals since they suffer significantly less, AND it is doubtlessly more humane. A 5 year old child could tell you that - a 15 year old probably not - due to his conditioning.

"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." Ralph Waldo Emerson

Actually Plants have a sensorial system just as animals do. Based on the exchange of sugars and peracids between the stomatal cells, they can interchange exterior inputs and react accordingly to any aggression from the outside. They only do it extremely slow. 

There have been also researchs that prove that plants have a resemblance of a memory system as well. There's a rather controversial article (funny though, the grand majority of controversy arose from animal protection groups ) written in 2003 by Anthony Trewavas, one of the leading men in the field of botanics and mollecular signaling that explains it quite well. (And here you go: http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/1/1.full.pdf+html)

OT - As for this video, I've seen it already. It's horrible and nauseating and I really do feel that the people behind such heinous acts should suffer the same fate. 

Having said that, this kind of behaviour is only seen in a small population of slaughterhouses, which are banned in a grand majority of places. Here in Portugal, we have strict rules on how to treat farm animals and there's a rigid fiscalization as well. Plus, our diet is more based on fish than meat, hence we're not so big in slaughterhouses.



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