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So what is it?

Star Wars 68 48.57%
 
Star Trek 51 36.43%
 
A nice booty 6 4.29%
 
This is like comparing Ap... 11 7.86%
 
other 4 2.86%
 
Total:140
spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
Star Wars. It is a classic tale of good versus evil. Darth Vader trumps all in Star Trek.

For every Star Trek fan that bad mouths the prequel trilogy, I bring up the Star Trek episode The Trouble With Tribbles. Not only is it the worst Star Trek episode ever, it is one of the worst episodes of anything ever. It has to be seen to be believed.

Also, I never cared for Captain Kirk. Picard was light years better.


James Bond and Star Trek. Bost started there screen life in the 60s. Enough said...

 

oh!   tribbles was great! So good that it was redone  almost 30yrs later on DS9


James Bond actually started on the screen in the 50's.  There was a television movie for Casino Royale. 

Tribbles was terrible because it tried to take itself seriously.  If you're going to something bad, make it stink to the high heavens like the Lost In Space episode, The Great Vegetable Rebellion.  I would make a thread about why Lost In Space is better than Star Trek, but unfortunatley younger people don't know much about it.



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star wars is better and voyager is the best star trek.  additonally, janeway is better than both kirk and picard put together.  janeway murdered one of her own crew and would murder you too, if you say otherwise.



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Kasz216 said:
ironmanDX said:
Against the combined might of the Jedi and Sith.........Eh... Obvious. Not to mention in some of the books they have a small one man craft capable of destroying solar systems.... Star Wars Vs Star Trek? You can't compare them because Star Wars is in another league. It would take DragonBall Z to be able to beat Star Wars an well that has Vegeta and Goku in it. ;)


Except... if your counting Star Wars vs Star Trek... that would give Star Trek the Q. 

Q is a mischievous, slightly threatening, purportedly omnipotent being who has taken an interest in humans. Q's power is thus far limited only in that he cannot overcome others in the Q Continuum. He can apparently stop death, create life, travel through time, stop time, multitask/create multiple versions of himself and create entire worlds effortlessly. He can change a person's mind or make them take any action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_%28Star_Trek%29

 

Not... exactly something the jedi can handle.  Hell, the Q could quite literally wipe out everyone in the star wars universe at the blink of an eye.  Hell, the first time a Q is met in Star Trek canon, it puts humanity on trial to see if he should wipe them all out.


if Q knew star wars, he would like it better too.



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Jumpin said:
Kasz216 said:
Now Federation vs Empire, that's an interesting one too...

if only because the Empire is essentially the size of the entire Star trek galaxy.... yet they have far fewer ships. So the question is, how many ships could they build?


As for Star Trek vs Star Wars in a hypothetical battle. Star Trek has the Q's. Which are essentially god.


Well that's an assumption that might not necessarily be accurate. Perhaps the "Galaxy far far away" is much smaller than the Milky Way galaxy; maybe a hundred-thousand to a million stars as opposed to the ~600 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. In other words, it might be that the Milky Way is hundreds of thousands to millions of times larger.

The Star Trek galaxy is supposed to have about ~400 billion stars.

http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/The_galaxy_%28Star_Wars%29

The Galactic Empire is supposed to have something like... 1 million planets according to the novelization of "A New Hope".

The federation has 150 member planets and thousands of colonies, which i'd expect to be under 10,000 given the phrasing.

 

This site breaks it down... and it's pretty credible since this is a "Star Trek would win" site.  So they aren't likely to overestimate the case for the empire.

http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html#Planets



Q will wipe out all the sith, sith lords and jedi then go back in time to do it again just for laughs. probably as far back before they were even born or as kids just to steal their candy. thats the kind of sick basterd he is lol



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spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
Star Wars. It is a classic tale of good versus evil. Darth Vader trumps all in Star Trek.

For every Star Trek fan that bad mouths the prequel trilogy, I bring up the Star Trek episode The Trouble With Tribbles. Not only is it the worst Star Trek episode ever, it is one of the worst episodes of anything ever. It has to be seen to be believed.

Also, I never cared for Captain Kirk. Picard was light years better.


James Bond and Star Trek. Bost started there screen life in the 60s. Enough said...

 

oh!   tribbles was great! So good that it was redone  almost 30yrs later on DS9


James Bond actually started on the screen in the 50's.  There was a television movie for Casino Royale. 

Tribbles was terrible because it tried to take itself seriously.  If you're going to something bad, make it stink to the high heavens like the Lost In Space episode, The Great Vegetable Rebellion.  I would make a thread about why Lost In Space is better than Star Trek, but unfortunatley younger people don't know much about it.


James Bond di not start for me until your avatar came into the picture. Peter Sellers! hmmm

 

Data would tare that Lost in Space robot up!

I'm sorry Ryan, but you're confused.  The movie that you are talking about that featured Peter Sellers came out in 1967.  It actually came out after four Bond films starring Sean Connery were released.  Also, Peter Sellers was not James Bond.  His name was Evelyn Tremble.  He was hired by Sir James Bond (who was played by David Niven) because he was an expert in Baccarat and pitted in a card game against LeChiffre.  Tremble was given the name James Bond 007 along with all of the other agents working under Bond in order to confuse SMERSH.

The television movie that I was talking about starred Barry Nelson as James Bond and came out in the 50's.  I hope that this clears up the confusion.

All that I have to say about Data tearing up the Robot from Lost In Space is, "That does not compute." 



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spurgeonryan said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Q will wipe out all the sith, sith lords and jedi then go back in time to do it again just for laughs. probably as far back before they were even born or as kids just to steal their candy. thats the kind of sick basterd he is lol


Yoda would foresee it and send Boba Fett to kill Jean Luc. or I should say trap him in carbonite. So then they would use Picard as a bargaining tool to keep Qs out of the battle. I believe the  Q council would uphold that agreement and Q himself worried about his human friends safety would follow as well. All of this would of course take place after Boba Fett climed out of his death pit. Didn't he he drop some sort of disruptor bomb inside it?

I feel you've probably never watched a star trek episode with Q.

Q would just laugh, kill everyone in star wars, then just bring Picard back to life.

It's an EXTREMLY trivial thing to do.  Riker does it almost immediatly when given the power of the Q.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/06/star-trek-the-next-generation-rewatch-qhide-and-qq

 

Q are essentially all powerful.



spurgeonryan said:
Kasz216 said:
spurgeonryan said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Q will wipe out all the sith, sith lords and jedi then go back in time to do it again just for laughs. probably as far back before they were even born or as kids just to steal their candy. thats the kind of sick basterd he is lol


Yoda would foresee it and send Boba Fett to kill Jean Luc. or I should say trap him in carbonite. So then they would use Picard as a bargaining tool to keep Qs out of the battle. I believe the  Q council would uphold that agreement and Q himself worried about his human friends safety would follow as well. All of this would of course take place after Boba Fett climed out of his death pit. Didn't he he drop some sort of disruptor bomb inside it?

I feel you've probably never watched a star trek episode with Q.

Q would just laugh, kill everyone in star wars, then just bring Picard back to life.

It's an EXTREMLY trivial thing to do.  Riker does it almost immediatly when given the power of the Q.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/06/star-trek-the-next-generation-rewatch-qhide-and-qq

 

Q are essentially all powerful.


I could say the same thing.

Q shows a great interest in humanoids in general. He does goad picard and other starfleet personnel into difficult decisions and actions, but he is almost always impressed. Who is to say that this Q from the Q continuum has not had fun with members of the Star Wars Universe. Actually who is to say that people from the Star Wars Universe are not just Humans in the distant future. Earth is long forgotten and they are living all over the galaxy now. Q can go anywhere in time, I would assume even alternate dimensions as well. So why would he want to harm people from the Star Wars universe?

Do you remember Quinn? His actions were controlled by the Q continuum. He was held hostage on an asteroid for all time so that he would not commit suicide, until Captain Janeway made a speech that made the Continuum allow him asylum on her ship, he then committed suicide. My point is the Continuum would not allow Q to just do whatever he wanted unless there was not reason for them to stop him.

Also could Yoda or any other powerful Jedi not do a mind trick on the continuum to make them think Q wanted to commit suicide? Then he would be out of the way! If humans can surprise Q and even the continuum then it should be not problem for a little green elf named yoda.

 

But I agree if he was allowed to just lay waste to the Star Wars people who got in the way of the Star Trek people then there would be no hope.

I would argue....

A) Star Wars people not being the future is the very first thing established in Star Wars.

B) because the Q don't exist in the Star Wars universe.

C) A Q's mind is far beyond a regular person's comprehension as seen by the way the Q continiuum has to be represented.

Q primary will no doubt want to toy with the star trek/star wars people first.  The rest of the Q however... are a lot more "down to buisness."



Oh, and for the record. I'd rate everything I can remember off the top of my head Star Wars/Star Trek wise like this.

Deep Space 9
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Next Generation
Return of the Jedi (Ewoks kinda bring it down for me. Not that they exist but that they were able to destroy the empire with simple tricks)
Star Wars Battlefront 2
Battlefront
KOTOR
KOTOR2
Star Wars action Figures
Shadows of the Empire
Star Trek Birth of the Federation (Game)
Star Wars Gratuitous Space Battles mod.
Star Trek Gratuitous Space Battles mod
First Contact
Star Trek
Star Wars Force Unleashed
Jedi Fighter games
Darkhorse Star Wars comic
Clone Wars cartoon
Voyager
Enterprise
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace



I wish I could have gotten into Deep Space 9, but I was kind of turned off by the stationary nature of the show... Being that it took place on a Space Station =P

Mostly I found that many of the episodes were often about the same thing, and I already knew ahead of time what the outcome of the situation would be, but they would spend multiple episodes getting there instead of just one. In the end I felt a little unmotivated to continue watching. I would like to have watched more of the show, because it had some interesting characters; but I wish there was more variety in the episodes. All in all, I found Deep Space 9 to have a very limiting format.

My favourite parts of the Star Trek series are Voyager from Season 4 through to the end of the series, and the entirety of Next Generation. 7 of 9 first appeared on Voyager during a Borg encounter beginning in the Season finale of season 3 and the beginning of season 4; I felt 7 of 9 and the Doctor combined on Voyager offered the most interesting version of the Spock type character - mostly because they split the character into two, and developed that storyline much more deeply than they did Data in Next Generation, and Spock in the original series. Voyager had an interesting formula, but was very adventurous, and was not at all limited by that story.

The Next Generation really seems like the concrete foundation for the Star Trek Universe - one thing I liked better about it was that it managed to achieve more in some 3-4 episode mini-stories than Deep Space 9 achieved in multiple seasons. There were some episodes that were just completely brilliant: like the one where Data created Lal. 



My favourite movie of the Star Trek franchise was Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered country: while I felt the Borg was the best villain entity in the series - in my humble opinion: Star Trek 6's shaved head Klingon General Chang (played by Christopher Plummer) was the best villain of the Star Trek series; I never understood everyone's attachment to Khan, maybe he is a bit before my time. My least favourite was Star Trex 10: Nemesis... I don't recall the movie THAT well, but I felt the 11th Star Trek had many similarities to Nemesis, only it was MUCH more entertaining - and having the most iconic characters present was certainly a major plus.



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