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Ah Naz, those vids are great. They're kinda ruined by the stupid voice at the end though.



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ramberk said:
Yeah, were those parody videos trying to be funny or annoying? The first one is not making any sort of clever point-- Macs are not a gaming platform like the PC-- everyone knows this, whats your point? The second is absolute bunk because their message is backwards. Macs have an easier time getting their OS upgraded. Most Windows users upgrade their Windows OS when they buy a new machine. And new OS upgrades actually increase performance, whereas Vista has usually seen a decrease in performance and a major increase in hardware requirements over XP. The third is just a troll message against the open source community. The fourth is... its all just trolling.

Okay, where to start.

1.) Duh, we are on a gaming website. Of course gaming is a major issue in this discussion. It's also a major disadvantage for the mac.

2.) Macs have an easier time getting their OS upgraded? How do you figure? For both systems you simply insert a CD and install the new OS. The difference between a PC and a mac is you can easily upgrade the hardware on your PC, whereas when your mac's hardware is out of date and can't run the newest OS it's basically going out in the garbage. Whereas with a PC you can hop on newegg and completely upgrade most of your PC on the cheap.

3.) It's trolling that there is very little of use on a mac that can't be done on PC? Well, if you disagree with that message, what do you think that PCs should be able to run that they can't but Macs can?

Edit: And I just posted the third video because it was funny.  Not because it was any real mac vs PC comparison.  I also agree Ben that they are much funnier without the voice at the end. 



ramberk said:
Yeah, were those parody videos trying to be funny or annoying? The first one is not making any sort of clever point-- Macs are not a gaming platform like the PC-- everyone knows this, whats your point? The second is absolute bunk because their message is backwards. Macs have an easier time getting their OS upgraded. Most Windows users upgrade their Windows OS when they buy a new machine. And new OS upgrades actually increase performance, whereas Vista has usually seen a decrease in performance and a major increase in hardware requirements over XP. The third is just a troll message against the open source community. The fourth is... its all just trolling.

Macs aren't gaming platforms? Then what are they, just regular computers? They're gaming platforms, just bad gaming platforms.

I don't know, I'm just baffled why, even if you don't really even need a gaming PC, why you'd ever buy a Mac. You could have a gaming-quality PC (PS: A "gaming PC" is good for more than games...that extra processing, graphics power and RAM will work for photos, videos, and plain old browsing too) for half the price of a regular Mac...it just doesn't make any sense to me.



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BenKenobi88,
What Mac model are you comparing to? It doesn't really make sense that way.

There's only one model for $1500 - the 20" iMac with 2.4 GHz Core2Duo. Are you saying that for $700 you get both an high-end gaming PC and a 20" monitor? 20" is nothing fancy, but it's worth at least $250. And you can get the 20" iMac for $1200, the $1500 model already has a bigger harddrive and such.

Also, all iMacs come with Bluetooth 2.0 and WiFi 802.11n, a webcam and a remote, an internal microphone and stereo speakers. Is that all included in your $700 PC? I think you will come down to a price difference of $200 give or take, and many people who are not as informed PC shoppers as you will wind up paying more for the same machine than you do.

naznatips,
If your Mac is older than 4 years and you can't install the latest Mac OS on it (10.5 Leopard), you just keep it running with the older Mac OS. Why not? OS 10.4 is still officially supported by Apple, mainly with security updates.

Or you sell it on eBay if it's really become too slow for you. For a 4 year old Mac you will get at least 30 % of the original price.

If you want to upgrade a 4 year old PC to run Vista, which parts can you keep?

If you like to replace single parts instead of just buying a new box you should also really hate video game consoles and pretty much most of home electronics and appliances. The fact that you can change parts inside a PC is an anomaly, not a rule.



Hardcore gaming is a bubble economy blown up by Microsoft's $7 $6 billion losses.

Why I would buy a Mac?

- I prefer the Mac OS and Mac UI over the Windows OS and Windows UI.
- I don't have to worry about virus's, malware or software incompatibilities.
- I prefer a computer that "just works" and requires little to no maintenance.
- I prefer or need to use high end tools like Final Cut Studio that are only available on the Mac
- I feel that the Mac OS is simply a much more stable OS then Windows XP or Vista
- I want to own a machine that has a much longer lifespan and a much better re-sale value
--> Macs maintain a much higher resale value then Windows PCs, just check eBay.

Why I would not buy a Windows PC
- I don't like the Windows OS and Windows UI.
- I don't want to worry about virus's, malware.
--> Macs haven't had any virus or malware problem since OS X was introduced in 2000.
- I don't like worrying that uninstalling software doesn't really uninstall the program.
--> On a Mac, all you have to do is drag the application folder/icon into the trash and empty the trash-- try doing that in Windows. Windows programs have the reputation of never completing uninstalling from your OS.
- I don't like worrying about software incompatibilities breaking the OS or slowing down system performance
--> On a Mac, if a program starts acting funny (its very slow or malfunctions), it does not affect overall system performance or breaks the OS. You either restart the program or delete it. It just seems to me that Windows programs tie themselves a lot closer to the OS and thus you get a lot of degraded system performance over time.
- Fixing a Windows OS problem typically means backing up your data, erasing the hard drive and re-installing the OS.
--> On a Mac I've never had to reformat a hard drive and re-install the Mac OS since OS X was introduced. Mac OS X almost never breaks/corrupts.

Why I would use a Windows PC
- I like building my own computer
--> Its cheaper and easier to upgrade a homemade PC

Myths About the Mac
- Macs are more expensive then PCs.
FALSE: Macs are cheaper or competitively priced to equally specced Dells, HPs and Lenovos. You can buy cheap Dells, but these cheap Dells don't have the same capabilities and quality of components as a typical "overpriced" Mac.
TRUE: Macs are more expensive then homemade PCs but so are Dells, HPs and Lenovos.
- Macs cannot be upgraded.
FALSE: On a Mac Pro you can upgrade the memory, hard drive, video card and it has plenty of internal slots to add more functionality to the machine. I think you can even upgrade the CPU too.
TRUE: You can only really upgrade the memory on an iMac.
- Macs have a lousy selection of games.
FALSE: You can install a copy of Windows on a Mac and play Windows games.
TRUE: There are a lot fewer Mac OS native games then Window OS native games.



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ramberk said:
Why I would buy a Mac?

- I prefer the Mac OS and Mac UI over the Windows OS and Windows UI.
- I don't have to worry about virus's, malware or software incompatibilities.
- I prefer a computer that "just works" and requires little to no maintenance.
- I prefer or need to use high end tools like Final Cut Studio that are only available on the Mac
- I feel that the Mac OS is simply a much more stable OS then Windows XP or Vista
- I want to own a machine that has a much longer lifespan and a much better re-sale value
--> Macs maintain a much higher resale value then Windows PCs, just check eBay.

Why I would not buy a Windows PC
- I don't like the Windows OS and Windows UI.
- I don't want to worry about virus's, malware.
--> Macs haven't had any virus or malware problem since OS X was introduced in 2000.
- I don't like worrying that uninstalling software doesn't really uninstall the program.
--> On a Mac, all you have to do is drag the application folder/icon into the trash and empty the trash-- try doing that in Windows. Windows programs have the reputation of never completing uninstalling from your OS.
- I don't like worrying about software incompatibilities breaking the OS or slowing down system performance
--> On a Mac, if a program starts acting funny (its very slow or malfunctions), it does not affect overall system performance or breaks the OS. You either restart the program or delete it. It just seems to me that Windows programs tie themselves a lot closer to the OS and thus you get a lot of degraded system performance over time.
- Fixing a Windows OS problem typically means backing up your data, erasing the hard drive and re-installing the OS.
--> On a Mac I've never had to reformat a hard drive and re-install the Mac OS since OS X was introduced. Mac OS X almost never breaks/corrupts.

Why I would use a Windows PC
- I like building my own computer
--> Its cheaper and easier to upgrade a homemade PC

Myths About the Mac
- Macs are more expensive then PCs.
FALSE: Macs are cheaper or competitively priced to equally specced Dells, HPs and Lenovos. You can buy cheap Dells, but these cheap Dells don't have the same capabilities and quality of components as a typical "overpriced" Mac.
TRUE: Macs are more expensive then homemade PCs but so are Dells, HPs and Lenovos.
- Macs cannot be upgraded.
FALSE: On a Mac Pro you can upgrade the memory, hard drive, video card and it has plenty of internal slots to add more functionality to the machine. I think you can even upgrade the CPU too.
TRUE: You can only really upgrade the memory on an iMac.
- Macs have a lousy selection of games.
FALSE: You can install a copy of Windows on a Mac and play Windows games.
TRUE: There are a lot fewer Mac OS native games then Window OS native games.

Great post.

Don't forget the 1 year warranty which covers everything on the purchase of any new Mac 

So many people just dismiss Macs and don't realize all you get for the price you pay.

I'm not going to bother pushing Macs here, but the biggest thing Apple has going against it is the fact that no one ever bothers to get the facts straight before whining about them. 



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

I hate my pc.



 

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ramberk said:

- Macs have a lousy selection of games.
FALSE: You can install a copy of Windows on a Mac and play Windows games.
TRUE: There are a lot fewer Mac OS native games then Window OS native games.


This makes me smile every time I read it.

Although, since I run Fedora/XP I'm no less guilty of it myself.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkrn6ecxthM



reverie said:
BenKenobi88,
What Mac model are you comparing to? It doesn't really make sense that way.

There's only one model for $1500 - the 20" iMac with 2.4 GHz Core2Duo. Are you saying that for $700 you get both an high-end gaming PC and a 20" monitor? 20" is nothing fancy, but it's worth at least $250. And you can get the 20" iMac for $1200, the $1500 model already has a bigger harddrive and such.

Also, all iMacs come with Bluetooth 2.0 and WiFi 802.11n, a webcam and a remote, an internal microphone and stereo speakers. Is that all included in your $700 PC? I think you will come down to a price difference of $200 give or take, and many people who are not as informed PC shoppers as you will wind up paying more for the same machine than you do.

naznatips,
If your Mac is older than 4 years and you can't install the latest Mac OS on it (10.5 Leopard), you just keep it running with the older Mac OS. Why not? OS 10.4 is still officially supported by Apple, mainly with security updates.

Or you sell it on eBay if it's really become too slow for you. For a 4 year old Mac you will get at least 30 % of the original price.

If you want to upgrade a 4 year old PC to run Vista, which parts can you keep?

If you like to replace single parts instead of just buying a new box you should also really hate video game consoles and pretty much most of home electronics and appliances. The fact that you can change parts inside a PC is an anomaly, not a rule.

I'm currently running:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ processor
ATI Radeon x800 graphics card
2 GB Ram
300 GB hard drive
Vista (legally paid for it)
DVD-RW drive
Wireless card
HDTV Tuner card
22" Widescreen monitor

All that cost me $720, and I'm guessing most Macs don't have TV tuner cards standard either, so without that it cost me $670. Again...I see NO cost benefit to buying a Mac, unless "NO VIRUSES" is worth an extra $700 to you.

See, the thing about PCs is, you can shop around and buy parts when they go on sale.  I bought my Acer 22" for $170, Black Friday is a wonderful thing.  I advise NOBODY to go and buy Dells...in fact, my friends and I make fun of Dells more than Macs I think.  "DUDE YOU'RE GETTING A DELL!"  I feel sorry for that dude.  



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