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MontanaHatchet said:
I don't know what's going on in this thread or what the argument is about, but get back on topic NOW.

For anyone reading, a word of advice: If you have a long history of bad behavior and moderation, you should probably be a little more careful with what you post. Carry on.

The topic is Skyrim issues and its first patch. I dont know about their general behavior but they were on topic in this thread. The reasoning of both side behind if we should tolerate or not the game releasing in that state was actually quite interesting. After reading the different point of view, im of the opinion that a corporation with ressources like Bethesda should never release a product in the state of the PS3 version. While a couple of quest or graphical bug as seen on the other versions is actually acceptable, the size of the game justify it.



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I just want to say this:

I'm sorry both Wagram and Classicgamewizz got banned because of this thread. I've no qualms against people who critizice both Bethesda and Skyrim, if their complains are valid. The points I was making for both of them were in regards of the PC version not being as buggy as they were claiming (especially since they didn't play that version nor would ever do it) and that most of the problems were easily fixed.
Having said that, I didn't see their replies on this thread after Classicgamewizz replied to me with the /end conversation rant, so I don't know if their posts were in a more harsher tone afterwards.

I just hope people are better informed before making some claims that can't be backed up, especially when you go against the people that actually have experience with said topic, to avoid these kind of situations in the future.

We all know all versions of Skyrim have their bugs and their problems, it's easy to check out most of them here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim) and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches.

As you can see, all versions of the game have their problems, some are more serious than others (like the 6 mb save issue on PS3 for some people or the crash-to-desktop on PC without the 4GB mod), but other than that, it's fairly even amongst all versions.
And even with this list, it's also not certain that you'll experience any of them as well, it's more of assortment of issues which randomly appears to players, thus being very hard to "catch" if just a limited number of people did Q&A for the game.

Could Skyrim have shipped with less bugs and glitches? Definitely. Is Skyrim the less buggy Bethesda game released so far? In terms of major glitches, stability issues and overall gamebreaking bugs, most definitely as well, as the grand majority of bugs are cosmetic.



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lestatdark said:
I just want to say this:

I'm sorry both Wagram and Classicgamewizz got banned because of this thread. I've no qualms against people who critizice both Bethesda and Skyrim, if their complains are valid. The points I was making for both of them were in regards of the PC version not being as buggy as they were claiming (especially since they didn't play that version nor would ever do it) and that most of the problems were easily fixed.
Having said that, I didn't see their replies on this thread after Classicgamewizz replied to me with the /end conversation rant, so I don't know if their posts were in a more harsher tone afterwards.

I just hope people are better informed before making some claims that can't be backed up, especially when you go against the people that actually have experience with said topic, to avoid these kind of situations in the future.

We all know all versions of Skyrim have their bugs and their problems, it's easy to check out most of them here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim) and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches.

As you can see, all versions of the game have their problems, some are more serious than others (like the 6 mb save issue on PS3 for some people or the crash-to-desktop on PC without the 4GB mod), but other than that, it's fairly even amongst all versions.
And even with this list, it's also not certain that you'll experience any of them as well, it's more of assortment of issues which randomly appears to players, thus being very hard to "catch" if just a limited number of people did Q&A for the game.

Could Skyrim have shipped with less bugs and glitches? Definitely. Is Skyrim the less buggy Bethesda game released so far? In terms of major glitches, stability issues and overall gamebreaking bugs, most definitely as well, as the grand majority of bugs are cosmetic.

+ 1 million.

I cant believe people actually bashed the game based off general internet forum activity and not actualy playing the game (some didnt even play any version!). Many of us here responded with a more informed view of the situation at hand, and yet they continued. This sort of backlash going on here on this site is sad, Skyrim has been pleasantly bug free in my pc playthrough. I was actually begining to think i was deluded or that i was playing some sort of special bug free version, meanwhile people come in here with some sort of agenda to bash the game and the developers for god knows what reason.

Not to mention that these are experienced posters, and some people actually read comments and might take view points into consideration when making a purchasing decision. Hopefully no1 has done that.

Some people are also not clearly distinguishing between versions when mentioning issues. The ps3 version seems to be the only version suffering from a game breaking bug. I think ps3 owners have a genuine right to feel angry about this though, but lets no confuse versions and lets not place all bugs and glitches into one basket and just claim the game is a bug fest in its entirety, because that is just blatant lies and misinformation.



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lestatdark said:
I just want to say this:

I'm sorry both Wagram and Classicgamewizz got banned because of this thread. I've no qualms against people who critizice both Bethesda and Skyrim, if their complains are valid. The points I was making for both of them were in regards of the PC version not being as buggy as they were claiming (especially since they didn't play that version nor would ever do it) and that most of the problems were easily fixed.
Having said that, I didn't see their replies on this thread after Classicgamewizz replied to me with the /end conversation rant, so I don't know if their posts were in a more harsher tone afterwards.

I just hope people are better informed before making some claims that can't be backed up, especially when you go against the people that actually have experience with said topic, to avoid these kind of situations in the future.

We all know all versions of Skyrim have their bugs and their problems, it's easy to check out most of them here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim) and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches.

As you can see, all versions of the game have their problems, some are more serious than others (like the 6 mb save issue on PS3 for some people or the crash-to-desktop on PC without the 4GB mod), but other than that, it's fairly even amongst all versions.
And even with this list, it's also not certain that you'll experience any of them as well, it's more of assortment of issues which randomly appears to players, thus being very hard to "catch" if just a limited number of people did Q&A for the game.

Could Skyrim have shipped with less bugs and glitches? Definitely. Is Skyrim the less buggy Bethesda game released so far? In terms of major glitches, stability issues and overall gamebreaking bugs, most definitely as well, as the grand majority of bugs are cosmetic.

Great post, but just a precision, the PS3 issue isnt "for some people", it affect every copy on any PS3. They surely knew about it before releasing the game. I agree with the rest ; ). Its hard to QA when its a specific problem cause by a specific situation. And, its an awesome game, a couple bug doesnt justify not playing the game. That being said, they really had a greed attitude with the PS3 version, should have either post-pone the date or not release it at all. If the new patch fix this Ill be way less critic, but damn, im sorry for the people that will not or cannot patch the game. Im only at 8mb and its becoming really annoying, so imagine when you are at 11-12mb+. Since it just keep getting worst and worst there is probably a point where its literally unplayable and not just annoying.



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Icyedge said:
lestatdark said:
I just want to say this:

I'm sorry both Wagram and Classicgamewizz got banned because of this thread. I've no qualms against people who critizice both Bethesda and Skyrim, if their complains are valid. The points I was making for both of them were in regards of the PC version not being as buggy as they were claiming (especially since they didn't play that version nor would ever do it) and that most of the problems were easily fixed.
Having said that, I didn't see their replies on this thread after Classicgamewizz replied to me with the /end conversation rant, so I don't know if their posts were in a more harsher tone afterwards.

I just hope people are better informed before making some claims that can't be backed up, especially when you go against the people that actually have experience with said topic, to avoid these kind of situations in the future.

We all know all versions of Skyrim have their bugs and their problems, it's easy to check out most of them here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim) and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches.

As you can see, all versions of the game have their problems, some are more serious than others (like the 6 mb save issue on PS3 for some people or the crash-to-desktop on PC without the 4GB mod), but other than that, it's fairly even amongst all versions.
And even with this list, it's also not certain that you'll experience any of them as well, it's more of assortment of issues which randomly appears to players, thus being very hard to "catch" if just a limited number of people did Q&A for the game.

Could Skyrim have shipped with less bugs and glitches? Definitely. Is Skyrim the less buggy Bethesda game released so far? In terms of major glitches, stability issues and overall gamebreaking bugs, most definitely as well, as the grand majority of bugs are cosmetic.

Great post, but just a precision, the PS3 issue isnt "for some people", it affect every copy on any PS3. They surely knew about it before releasing the game. I agree with the rest ; ). Its hard to QA when its a specific problem cause by a specific situation. And, its an awesome game, a couple bug doesnt justify not playing the game. That being said, they really had a greed attitude with the PS3 version, should have either post-pone the date or not release it at all. If the new patch fix this Ill be way less critic, but damn, im sorry for the people that will not or cannot patch the game. Im only at 8mb and its becoming really annoying, so imagine when you are at 11-12mb+. Since it just keep getting worst and worst there is probably a point where its literally unplayable and not just annoying.

Oh, I completely agree that the PS3 bug is by far the worst and yes, it seems it's present on all copies, but it seems not all people are affected the same way, based on what I know from some friends and even people here on VGC. Sadly though, it ends up affecting the game some way or another and that's extremely detrimental to the people who cannot afford to patch it up. 

From what I also read, it seems that 6 mb is the lowest limit at what it manifests and that is quite easy (as in low game hours) to reach that filesize. 

And I also think it's sad that Bethesda hasn't still learned how to properly code for the PS3 to avoid these kind of game-breaking bugs and lag issues. You would think that after 3 games under their belt, using basically the same engine with a few tweaks and upgrades, they'd at least avoid a situation as this for Skyrim.

@Shinobi-san - My experience with the PC version has also been very smooth, except for a crash-to-desktop which is mostly caused due to Shift-Tab on Steam (most of my Steam games get that same problem) and a few graphical bugs, nothin major, even without tweaking the .ini (I still play it with V-Sync On and have noticed almost no mouse lag at all) and before I used some mods like the 4GB mod for faster texture loading. 

Unfortunately agendas are a commonplace on videogame forums. It wouldn't surprise me that some people that take offence at the bugs presented on Skyrim wouldn't mind them on games closer to their tastes. The example of Uncharted 3 given on this thread was a clear cut case, since most of it's bugs (and it had also a gamebreaking one for older PS3 consoles) were simply glossed over and you'd hardly hear any backlash to the game or to the developer. It's a sad and deplorable situation that does nothing for a good ambient between gamers. 



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Just passed the 6MB threshhold and I am experiencing lag sometimes. However, when this happens I just stop moving my character and give the game a few seconds to catch up. After that it is usually pretty smooth sailing.

I wanted to ignore the game for a few more days but just couldn't.

Skyrim is great times when you have a real good buzz going on. Even more so when you go into 3rd person and see your character and/or horse climbing vertically up a mountain side.



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lestatdark said:
Icyedge said:
lestatdark said:
I just want to say this:

I'm sorry both Wagram and Classicgamewizz got banned because of this thread. I've no qualms against people who critizice both Bethesda and Skyrim, if their complains are valid. The points I was making for both of them were in regards of the PC version not being as buggy as they were claiming (especially since they didn't play that version nor would ever do it) and that most of the problems were easily fixed.
Having said that, I didn't see their replies on this thread after Classicgamewizz replied to me with the /end conversation rant, so I don't know if their posts were in a more harsher tone afterwards.

I just hope people are better informed before making some claims that can't be backed up, especially when you go against the people that actually have experience with said topic, to avoid these kind of situations in the future.

We all know all versions of Skyrim have their bugs and their problems, it's easy to check out most of them here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim) and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches.

As you can see, all versions of the game have their problems, some are more serious than others (like the 6 mb save issue on PS3 for some people or the crash-to-desktop on PC without the 4GB mod), but other than that, it's fairly even amongst all versions.
And even with this list, it's also not certain that you'll experience any of them as well, it's more of assortment of issues which randomly appears to players, thus being very hard to "catch" if just a limited number of people did Q&A for the game.

Could Skyrim have shipped with less bugs and glitches? Definitely. Is Skyrim the less buggy Bethesda game released so far? In terms of major glitches, stability issues and overall gamebreaking bugs, most definitely as well, as the grand majority of bugs are cosmetic.

Great post, but just a precision, the PS3 issue isnt "for some people", it affect every copy on any PS3. They surely knew about it before releasing the game. I agree with the rest ; ). Its hard to QA when its a specific problem cause by a specific situation. And, its an awesome game, a couple bug doesnt justify not playing the game. That being said, they really had a greed attitude with the PS3 version, should have either post-pone the date or not release it at all. If the new patch fix this Ill be way less critic, but damn, im sorry for the people that will not or cannot patch the game. Im only at 8mb and its becoming really annoying, so imagine when you are at 11-12mb+. Since it just keep getting worst and worst there is probably a point where its literally unplayable and not just annoying.

Oh, I completely agree that the PS3 bug is by far the worst and yes, it seems it's present on all copies, but it seems not all people are affected the same way, based on what I know from some friends and even people here on VGC. Sadly though, it ends up affecting the game some way or another and that's extremely detrimental to the people who cannot afford to patch it up. 

From what I also read, it seems that 6 mb is the lowest limit at what it manifests and that is quite easy (as in low game hours) to reach that filesize. 

And I also think it's sad that Bethesda hasn't still learned how to properly code for the PS3 to avoid these kind of game-breaking bugs and lag issues. You would think that after 3 games under their belt, using basically the same engine with a few tweaks and upgrades, they'd at least avoid a situation as this for Skyrim.

@Shinobi-san - My experience with the PC version has also been very smooth, except for a crash-to-desktop which is mostly caused due to Shift-Tab on Steam (most of my Steam games get that same problem) and a few graphical bugs, nothin major, even without tweaking the .ini (I still play it with V-Sync On and have noticed almost no mouse lag at all) and before I used some mods like the 4GB mod for faster texture loading. 

Unfortunately agendas are a commonplace on videogame forums. It wouldn't surprise me that some people that take offence at the bugs presented on Skyrim wouldn't mind them on games closer to their tastes. The example of Uncharted 3 given on this thread was a clear cut case, since most of it's bugs (and it had also a gamebreaking one for older PS3 consoles) were simply glossed over and you'd hardly hear any backlash to the game or to the developer. It's a sad and deplorable situation that does nothing for a good ambient between gamers. 


You know, that´s the main problem right there.There are bugs and then there are game breaking bugs, which seems to be the case with the PS3 version...regardless of how complex the game is, I still think it is inexcusable the game was released with that kind of bug...yeah, a game like that is expected to  have bugs, but not a bug that is game breaking and seems to affect every PS3 copy sooner or later, on a system that Bethesda has had plenty of time to work with...the least they can do is fix it with this upcoming patch, or else thousands of people deserve a refund.



My file has now surpassed 7 mb with some slow downs that last about 30 seconds than go away with one total freeze of the system. My buddy came over last night and we jacked around in my game and he said he was at 6 mb with no problems. Also asked my other friend through psn who is at 11 mb and he claims few problems. I will saw we saw a funny as glitch were a giant knocked his own mammoth in the air and we were under a bridge did not see it fly, but suddenly it fell in front of our faces. Seconds later the same giant knocked the follower Lydia about a mile away. Funny stuff.