Ya know I'm actually surprised with how many people I've seen on here tone down their fanboyism. Perhaps Reasonable's sig is having an impact on the community. Maxims FTW!

i believe as well next xbox releasing not 2012 but i think it will relaese 2013 and no way 2014.

and if he says microsoft doesnt't need a new console because of the sales he should look at ps2 sales. then he will see sony didn't need a new cosnole as well but they released one.:

2000: 5.5m
2001: 16m
2002: 21m
2003: 20m
2004: 16m
2005: 19m

so why did sony release a ps3? the ps2 sold brilliant!

but what i said i believe as well next box not 2012. they have still plenty of room with a price cut (that wasn't possible for ps2). but 2014? nahh i don't believe that.

yea i  know your not calling me one but with me being an extreme Sony fan i was still a pretty balanced poster. i've always been about the numbers and hard facts, and i toatly agree with you. i expected a shit storm this yr. but it seems like in every 360vPS3 thread made this yr, what ever the implications maybe the day of the fanboy is for now dead. 

resurrection likely starts with  Wiiu. god i hope not. i won't last another gen on this site if so.

well with a friend like you i couldn't just leave. i'd likely wouldn't post in forums having anything to do with fanboys. like political threads i just avoid them cause either i'm going to piss someone off or say the wrong thing and get PB, and for me thats worse then leaving.

well with friends like you and others i couldn't just leave. i'd likely just avoid fanboy motivated threads.

I just personally don't see the sense in a Xbox 720 in 2012. One could argue that it could be to deflate some of the Wii U entrance into the console market, but I still don't see the business move of a new console from Microsoft.

We all know Microsoft is working on their next console. That is true. But its evident that the X360 is hitting strong late strides especially in the Americas. Kinect has helped the boost as well as a very solid advertising model. A new console seems like too much of an awkward business move by Microsoft to me.

If what Pachter says is true and Microsoft is planning to unveil a new X360 console design that will incorporate more of Windows 8 compatability then my logical thinking would cause me to conclude a new console by Microsoft would likely not hit the scene until 2014 at the earliest. A Xbox 720 in 2012 does not make sense from a business standpoint, but introducing a new X360 console design in 2012 to then turn around in 2013 and release the Xbox 720 would make even less sense. If anything this news causes me to wonder if an Xbox 720 would become a 2014 release. confusing rumors.

I think the question is how much did MS/360 influence PS3 release as well as other, non gaming console factors?  Personally, my view is Sony would actually have prefered to wait longer to release PS3 than they did.  Three factors I believe motivated them to bring it to market sooner than they would otherwise have:

1 - They saw how 360/Live was really setting the standard for online gaming on console in West and saw PS2 simply didn't have capabilities to compete

2 - They had to rush to launch so they didn't start too far behind the 360

3 - They had commited themselves to Blu-Ray and co-opted the PS3 into the fight

Really, if it wasn't for MS rush to market and Blu-Ray I doubt the PS3 would have launched when it did.  I think Sony would have waited another 12 months if it wasn't for 360/BR combination - i.e. if they were just looking at PS2 sales and didn't feel any competitive need to launch sooner.

For me the question is does MS have to rush to market while it's current console is selling really well in a similar manner to Sony with the PS3?

My view is no.  The Wii U I just don't see as a threat to 360 in US, UK and Europe and while I doubt they want to launch behind the PS4 I doubt Sony is suddenly going to spring the PS4 on the market anytime soon.

MS can take 2012 to consolidate their position and use Halo 4 to drive another big sales spike and serve as a bit of a last exclusive "hurrah" for the console.  Then during 2013 then prepare way for a launch late Q3 or Q4 2013.  The 360 stays on the market at a low price to further grow brand and is used to try and further expand global presence.  Halo 5 launches on Nextbox to really pull the core over who've invested in Halo so far during 2014.

I think launching a new console so close to Halo 4 seems very unlikely so 2013 seems more likly for me.  2014 does seem a bit too far out, Sony could well launch PS4 2013 as well and if MS waited beyond that they could let Sony take first run at the market.

So I reckon 2013 will see new Xbox console and possibly a new Playstation console as well.

I'm not getting how MS is "rushing" to the market when their console is already 6 years old. The successor is rumored to launch anywhere from 7 to 8 years after the 360. That's far longer than normal.

So Windows 8 will be able to run on a machine that only has 512 megs of memory total for RAM and Video?
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