OMG, you are fucking incredible, you know that? I NEVER argued with u about my faith AT ALL in this thread, hell, i never argued with u about anything until now. You seriously love to jump at people do you? Think it gives you leverage in debates? It doesn't. So stop doing it. And the part i underlined clearly shows why you are the biggest paradox hypocrite i've seen in a while. You are doing what you accused me of in almost every religious thread i see. You act aggresively and start jumping at people, starting arguments with them by playing defensive victim card,  and dragging them into defending and justifying their views to you so you can rip on them some more  (just like tried to do with me.) And what really pisses me off is that you have nerves to actually act like you're the one which is being jumped at and attacked. You are seriously amazing

Italics: You don't have to justify me anything, its just funny how you attack padib and he hasn't shown a slightest bit of aggressiveness or judgement, you on the other hand... I actually believe you dont despise religious people, you just want them to keep their mouth shut and God forbid their opinions clash with yours.

Bolded: HA! You've done it again ! "there's more than enough people like you and padib that I see daily to remind me why I loathe religion so much. " People like me??? WTF??? I VE NEVER, EVER, MENTIONED MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, NOR MY VIEWS ON RELIGION DURING THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION  AT ALL!!! For all you know i might be a buddhist. So how the fuck can my posts remind you of anything religious when my posts are nothing like that???  Oh wait, I know how. I quoted you and i disagreed with your clearly superior mighty views and thus = ZOMG THE EVIL RELIGIOUS THEOCRACY OPPRESSING ME ARGH !!!11!1!, right? That's just how tick, isn't it? Well too bad im not padib, sorry.

The rest: Humanity is religious. 4/5 of people on this planet believe in higher power. Religion is still pretty relevant to our species. Im fine with religion staying out of politics and science, but since atheists are minority and theists/deists majority, its them who need to keep their shit to themselves. Of course im not for forcing religion on anyone, but it pisses me off when people think secularism means total abolishment and ignoring of religion in society

You like ignoring that which doesn't support your theory.  

1 - "I never argued with you in this thread."  The key point being that you have argued with me in other threads, unless you're not the same Player1x3 that I've seen pushing his beliefs in other threads. 

2 - "biggest paradox hypocrite..."  You keep using these words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.  I told you time and time again, don't have a problem with religion and I'm not hateful at all, I simply don't tolerate aggressive ignorance (pushing religious beliefs.) Which you have done ad nauseum.  If people do it, I react accordingly. 

3 - "...act like you are the only one being jumped at and attacked..."  Uh, no?  I'm not being attacked, never said I was, you put that in my mouth.  That said, I WAS being attacked by padib (who has since apologized) with his abrasive attitude, and like I am being attacked by you, with all your curse words and finger pointing.  This behaviour is not doing anything to curb my hatred of faith, you're only making it stronger by giving me a target and a lot of fallacies to pick out. Thanks! 

4 - "...he hasn't shown the slightest bit of aggressiveness..."  Are you blind or justignorant to the many MANY aggressive posts he's made in this thead?  This is so wrong I'm not dignifying it with any more of a response.  

5 - "...never ever pointed out my religious beliefs in this whole conversation...." Again, in THIS whole conversation.  I recall a whole slew of stuff that used to be in your signature as well as a string of posts you made making it very clear you were of christian denomination (catholic, if I recall correctly.)  Again, unless I'm mistaking you with another Player1x3, you're just pulling the "fingers in ears lalalala" tactic.  Seriously, stop that. 

6 - as a final point  here, You gotta stop acting like I'm on some sort of crusade against all religion. I DO think it's a stupid thing to believe in (no more reliable than voodoo magic or pagan spirituality or astral projection), but I've always held a very simple belief that you can do what you want as long as you keep it to yourself.  I'd be happy to keep my beliefs to myself if there weren't people like you and Padib going around using the bible as an excuse to judge others or your faith to steamroll scientific progress to 'defend your values.'  I'd be happy to let bygones be bygones, but you've been remarkably aggressive (even moreso than I), so I have no intention of tabling this until you either rage-quit, are banned, or the thread is locked.  I may have low tolerance for certain things, but at least I'm not flying off the handle because some random person on the internet hurt my feelings.  

It is still relevant in today's society whether we like it or not.

I see more harm in it than good, though. There are some people I know that got into religion and probably turned their lives around and they haven't tried to push it on me or anything.

However, I see organized religion as an authoritarian institution in its nature. You give up thinking and finding what is right and wrong yourself and let someone else do it for you. It also seems to be a catalyst for intolerance and self-righteousness, as others in this thread have pointed out. Finally, the way it tries to impede scientific advancement (evolution studies and stem cell research) annoys me to no end.

I grew up going to church, but I've always been an atheist deep inside. My way of thinking could never allow me to accept that there is a supernatural god that can break the natural laws of the universe. Living in the Southern United States, I've had to put up with a lot of shit and have had to hide this belief of mine all the time. Many people don't consider a real person because of this.

I also respect people that don't lie, steal, kill, or cheat because they know on their own that it's the wrong thing to do - not because they are worried about being watched by some god.

A relevant inconvenience to progressive thinking and generation x and y? Id say so.

I'm in a similar boat.  I was born and raised christian, and I even spent most of my life believing in God (in fact I even thought that it was the most ignorant thing to not believe).  Luckily I grew out of that by the time I was 16 because I realized how stupid it was.  The problem was that I live in a very religious community, and my mother was quite offended when I told her I didn't believe in God.  her exact words were "where did I go wrong?"  

It's not as bad as your story, but I have to say, it's still pretty stupid. 

And as I grew up, I saw more and more the dichotomy of Religion.  the good religious people were some of the best people I knew, the kindest, most generous people in the world.  Sadly there's another side to the coin, and the ignorant religious people are making life a living hell for nonbelievers and skeptics (while failing to substantiate their claims.)  Now all I see is terrorism, judgement, hatred, intolerance, arrogance, and ignorance.  I know the good is still there, but it's being overshadowed SO much by the bad. 

My assertion is that Religion shouldn't be relevant.  We don't need religion to bring us together like we used to, we have the internet for it.  we don't need religion to answer all our questions about the universe, Science has been filling in many of the gaps.  We don't need religion to tell us to be good to others, we have laws that ensure that (most of which are pretty rational.)  The only blank thing Religion still helps with is that depressing realization that one day your existance will cease, and it honestly is helpful to think that the spirit carries on. 

WE don't need religion anymore.  We never really did, but it served its purpose.  Time to grow up and stop believing in Santa Clause. 

Well I do not know if it has to due with religion but for society in general the moral system has changed dramatically over time.

It used to be that many had absolute morals, but to me everyone's morals is based on a cost benefit analysis.
It seems all good but frankly a cost benefit analysis approach generally means far less compassion and caring of others and that is what you see in society.


Also another question, is religion to blame for today's problems?
That without Religion our world would be sooo much better?

Or is that the problems lies with us human beings who inherently evil and have twisted religion to serve our own interests?

Just so you know, I don't go on 'crusades' against religion unless they're doing something detrimental to myself, my friends, or to society (such as the aforementioned interference in science.)  Generally speaking, as long as religious people keep it to themselves or are respectful, I get along with them just fine.  Like I've said a dozen times or so, I only 'push' my beliefs on religion when you have stuff like Westboro Baptist church protesting soldiers, or Fox news claiming Gay Marriage is an affront to traditional marriage.  Get where I'm going here? 

I respect that, just keep mind that there are many crazy religious people but numerous over the top atheists as well.

You need to remember everyone who is spiritual or religious does not believe in the crazy aspects of it.

I believe in God but I of course believe in science. I hate it how some people say, that is not possible, but it is. Its not that hard to believe in both things.

True, but I see MUCH fewer militant atheists than zealous believers.  also, most atheists I know just keep their mouth shut, they don't believe but they don't care.  I see far more religious people preaching the word of God than I do atheists screaming about a lack of god. 

And if so many religious people didn't denounce the many aspects of science (most notably that which clashes with their ideals), then religious people wouldn't have that stereotype. 

Take a look at the bottom panel.  It would no longer be hypocrisy if the man on the left was a different man than the one in the top panel.

In the cartoon that guy kinda has that coming, but if said atheist does that to Christians who aren't assaulting him with their beliefs, he has become the exact person that he rails against.  He becomes the hypocrite.  The failing of the comic is that it presents those two people as two groups, not two men, to make one group look bad regardless how individuals within it conduct themselves. 

Now you claim not to go on 'crusades' against religion, that as long as religious people keep it to themselves or are respectful you get along with them just fine.  But your claim seems to lack integrity when you put up that cartoon.  It does, after all, marginalize every person of faith in this thread/board who hasn't been bashing in your head with their worldview.  So can you truly claim that you do not bash them in the head with your own?