I am disappoint. I expected the Gamefaqs Sony Defense Force members to come in and bombard the thread. I had my popcorn and everything :(

So basically what Rol is saying is that if Sony changed its name to Nintendo, he would no longer despise them.

Counter-attack!!

I remember reading video game magazines looooooong before the N64 came out (and it was called "Project Reality" and later, the "Ultra 64") and nobody was even allowed to show a pic of the N64 controller.  It was top secret.  The best we got was a blurred out picture in EGM that looked like a dinosaur's footprint.  It wasn't until they finally unveiled the N64 controller at Space World or E3 or Tokyo Game show in 1995 that Sony produced their dual analog controller.  Sony's Dual analog joystick thingy came out in 1996 with a Dual analog controller finally being released in 1997 (with no software support to my knowledge). Even 3D games like Jumping Flash, Gex 2, Crash Bandicoot, and many others ignored the potential of the analog stick.

The Dual Shock (vibration added) didn't hit until 1998.  Starfox introduced the "Rumble Pak" in 1997.  Games that did support PS1 rumble and some sort of right analog stick support didn't hit until 1998 (Gran Turismo, Quake II, etc).  Most of the games before that only used the left stick and it wasn't until MGS1 in 1998 that a game allowed the use of both the analog stick and the d-pad.  Before that, it was one or the other.  And when Ape Escape (Sony's showcase for the potential of the right analog stick) finally hit in 1999, even they didn't use the right stick as camera control.

As for N64 accuracy in comparison to the Dual Shock, the N64 controller was VERY accurate.  Sony and Nintendo used different methods to achieve nearly identical results.  The tech that everyone uses today (including the tech that Sony used for their analog joystick and Dual Shock) actually is a derivative of the analog tech used in the ancient Vectrex controller.

As for the Rumble Pak, it's true that the capability was released at the same time for both consoles (though only in Japan for Sony until 1998).  It would be impossible to say who came up with the idea first.  I also don't recall any unveilings of the tech in the U.S. aside from the Starfox 64 promotional video tape I got in the mail saying rumble was "Only on Nintendo 64".  That's no evidence, though.

For the record, Sony's Dual Shock was (in my opinion) infinitely better than the N64 since Sony had the sense to include two analogs, two shoulder buttons, and internal rumble without the need for an external power source.  I just don't think that many of these features would have been supported on Sony's console if Nintendo hadn't announced them.  And there's nothing wrong with that (if that's the case).  Nobody wants a competitor to have a feature that they don't have.  Ignoring the competition is just plain stupid.

As for third parties--Nintendo were assholes to them during the 8-Bit/16-bit era.  Nobody could release more than a certain number of games.  If Nintendo were releasing a platformer or RPG, nobody could release a game that competed with their title.  Companies had to buy expensive cartridges from Nintendo and had to buy a set number (either too many or not enough) before their game was even released.  It sucked.   Some companies (like Namco, Capcom, Square, and Konami) were already legendary among Nintendo 3rd parties, though.  Konami even had to create a second company called Ultra Games to release more games since they had already reached their limit under the regular Konami name.  I think Rare had to create "Tradewest", too.  Anyhoo, Sony came along and gave third parties all kinds of freedoms that Nintendo didn't.  Sony was like a pimp that wouldn't smack its bitches.  What hoe wouldn't want that?

As for points 4-5, fuck it.  My hands are tired.

lol all the reasons have to do with nintendo

Sweet, discussion.

Sony started using potientiometer analog sticks in their flight sticks, these were revealed to the public the same year the N64 controller was revealed.  While I won't deny the N64 controller may have inspired them to develop the Dual Analog (who knows where they were planning on going with the tech, regardless), Sony deserves most of the credit for changing the design of controllers as they were previously seen.  Dual analog sticks, overall case design, and internal rumble. 

And yes, in Japan, there was software that fully supported the Dual Analog controller when it released in 1997, analog sticks and rumble.  Tobal 2 and Bushido Blade were 2 right around its release.  And GT and Need for Speed 2 came out later that year.

Also, I wasn't trying to say the N64 controller wasn't accurate, but that it wasn't AS accurate as the potentiometer based sticks Sony was using.  It also had reliability issues when used repeatedly, even with normal use, often becoming loose.  Both of these are probably why Nintendo abandoned their tech for an analog stick and went with the same potentiometer tech Sony was using.  And yes, I know Sony didn't invent this tech, but they did perfect it.

Lol, I agree, Sony is a very kind pimp.

i think the real question is does it have to have a point other than feeding his ego?...

Good thing I actualy laughed unlike some here.

Welcome to the world of business. You copy shit and you improve on it.
Anywho, while all that is true, I still don't see why you would hate them.
Sounds like you love Nintendo a bit too much.

so basically when a company takes an idea and makes it better they deserve to be hated? by that logic nintendo will forever be stuck with shi**y online because apparently dont want to "copy" another company

There's actually a pretty large grain of truth to that, because as much as Nintendo innovates, they also go out of their way to make sure they don't do things the exact same way as their competitors to differentiate themselves, even if it's to the detriment of their own consoles / business.  Couple of examples:

-Sticking with carts instead of switching to CDs two generations ago.

-not jumping on the DVD bandwagon the previous gen.

-not going HD this gen, and giving their customers a half-assed online service (after years of telling us that online gaming wasn't important and that we didn't need it), and refusing to focus on online multiplayer, multimedia content and social features as one of the main selling points of their console like their competitors currently do with XBL and PSN.