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Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I have no idea what your talking about in the first place. Cross game voice chat is great when you want to set up a game with friends who are playing another game. With PSN you have to message them to play, or call them, with XBL you just invite them to your party. It's not a big big deal though, doesn't justify the price on its own. i'm talking about setting up ways to win in a clan v clan match. i'd much rather set up a match with may clan and set up a strategy for victory on every match while talking on your blutooth head sets during the match.

scout the map and see what you can take advantage of on the map. yea sure cross game chat has its uses but when not one of your friends is online your going to call them. i like the idea of cross game chat but its not that important.

I want sports!!! if XBLG can do it, that makes it worth something all of a sudden. then all is good in thr woeld nd oeder has been restored

Pikmin can look really good on Wii U because they will be modeling small stuff (like paperclips and batteries) to a high degree. Could look really cool if Nintendo works hard on the game. yep but i still have no idea what or pikmin is. i'll look it up.




I was only talking about playing with friends. For Clans I guess you guess schedule play times or something? (Clearly I'm not as crazy for online as you). after the screw job at Radec acadamy i don't play online multiplayer at all. 

 

Cross game chat is nice, and important, but I think you agree with me, not so important to justify the price of XBL. dito

*Evil Eyes* How do you not know Pikmin? Look at my avatar!!! only from SSBB. other then that i've never play'd a pikmin game. but now i'm interested.





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Michael-5 said:
thx1139 said:
Michael-5 said:

The Zelda fan that bought Twilight Princess for Gamecube, and people who are looking for a good excuse to get a Wii now. Hew I bought my Wii last fall for Donkey Kong.

No Software title will cause any console to skyrocket? What does Call of Duty do every year?

So you bought a Wii for another title already. My point. I bet with 90 million Wii's sold that the vast vast majority of Zelda fans have already picked up a Wii especially since I bet there are very few Zelda fans that arent Nintendo fans.

Call of Duty does not cause any consoles to skyrocket. What a  hundred thousand extra consoles, maybe. That is not skyrocket. 

Last year people were saying that anyone who really wanted a Wii already had one, then I, and many others, broke that belief and got a Wii.

You don't have to have a Wii already to be a Zelda fan, and Skyward Sword will likely bring in new fans too. Plus Wii got a price cut this fall, so cheaper Zelda fans now have a reason to get a Wii.

100,000 extra isn't exactly sky rocket, too bad Block Ops increased 360 sales by 46% last year (160k), and that's not considering that Kinect Adventures also pushed sales 69% the week prior (138k).

If it causes sales to double, I consider it sky rocketing....

Last year the week that Black Ops came out:
360 jumped 44% - 160K
Wii jumped 46% - 150K (Black  Ops for Wii was ranked 18th in sales that week selling 90K)
PS3 jumped 21% - 65K

I supposed that for the 360 and PS3 that was all Black Ops and nothing about it was seasonal or in the case of the 360 continued boost from Kinect launch.  No the bumps were because of seasonal factors, Kinect launch factors, and a new high profile game.  I never stated that everyone that wants a Wii has already purchased one. I said it is highly likely that such a prominent Nintendo franchise beloved by the Nintendo faithful will be overwhelmingly purchased by people that already have a Wii.  Will the Wii bump? Sure. Will it have meaningful effect to change the direction this holiday sales season will head? Very unlikely.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

With US and EMEAA and no Japan numbers the PS3 lead is now at 1.58M. The 360 now has to outsell the PS3 by 198k to tie with the PS3.

Japan would almost surely bring the lead up to 1.6M and with that in mind, the 360 has to outsell the PS3 by over 200k per week every week till the end of the year.



IT won't beat PS3. The Euroepan and Japanese Market Especially don't care about the Xbox. In fact if it wasn't for the UK PS3 would have a 5 Million+ lead over 360 globally Lifetime sales by now. I've been to most European countires, Spain France Italy Switzerlsand and a few others and the Xbox is a hardcore console and PS3 is far more popular based on Brand name alone.

People need to learn about brand Recognition and Loyalty. Compare Xbox sales to PS2 in THOSE REGIONS. PS2 outsold Xbox like 10:1, 20:1 in Japan, In America is was only 3:1 or something like that.

MS have done as well as they could have by Doubling the sales of Xbox and increasing their Userbase by over 100% from their last console, Sony have lost market Share since last gen. There isn't anything MS can do except keep selling machines until end of the gen. They've already won in North America.

PS3 wil outsell 360 globally sometime next year and then finish about 1-2 million sales ahead by the time next gen starts, peopel will claim Sony won but really it was a 50/50 battle that NOONE expected start of the gen. IMO MS won already by doubling the userbase of their previous console.



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This is borderline impossible now.

I can't see anything MS have prepared putting them ahead, short of releasing in China or something. Didn't MS have plans for that? Perhaps they got the green light to release there this November? Other than that, there is nothing they can do.



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It does seem to be getting to the point where it's impossible now, especially after seeing the past week's numbers.



thx1139 said:
Michael-5 said:
thx1139 said:
Michael-5 said:

The Zelda fan that bought Twilight Princess for Gamecube, and people who are looking for a good excuse to get a Wii now. Hew I bought my Wii last fall for Donkey Kong.

No Software title will cause any console to skyrocket? What does Call of Duty do every year?

So you bought a Wii for another title already. My point. I bet with 90 million Wii's sold that the vast vast majority of Zelda fans have already picked up a Wii especially since I bet there are very few Zelda fans that arent Nintendo fans.

Call of Duty does not cause any consoles to skyrocket. What a  hundred thousand extra consoles, maybe. That is not skyrocket. 

Last year people were saying that anyone who really wanted a Wii already had one, then I, and many others, broke that belief and got a Wii.

You don't have to have a Wii already to be a Zelda fan, and Skyward Sword will likely bring in new fans too. Plus Wii got a price cut this fall, so cheaper Zelda fans now have a reason to get a Wii.

100,000 extra isn't exactly sky rocket, too bad Block Ops increased 360 sales by 46% last year (160k), and that's not considering that Kinect Adventures also pushed sales 69% the week prior (138k).

If it causes sales to double, I consider it sky rocketing....

Last year the week that Black Ops came out:
360 jumped 44% - 160K
Wii jumped 46% - 150K (Black  Ops for Wii was ranked 18th in sales that week selling 90K)
PS3 jumped 21% - 65K

I supposed that for the 360 and PS3 that was all Black Ops and nothing about it was seasonal or in the case of the 360 continued boost from Kinect launch.  No the bumps were because of seasonal factors, Kinect launch factors, and a new high profile game.  I never stated that everyone that wants a Wii has already purchased one. I said it is highly likely that such a prominent Nintendo franchise beloved by the Nintendo faithful will be overwhelmingly purchased by people that already have a Wii.  Will the Wii bump? Sure. Will it have meaningful effect to change the direction this holiday sales season will head? Very unlikely.

Seasonal factors only account for 10-25% weekly jumps. 360 gained 70% the Week of Kinect and another 44% for Black Ops and then sales dropped 13% )9% for PS3). Wii sales kept chugging along, but at 18%.

Oh for the Wii bump with Zelda this fall, it won't change trends, thats not what I was trying to get at, at all. Just that 1 week Wii sales will tower over the HD consoles, and hundred of thousands of people will buy a Wii because of this game.

I still know people who said they won't buy a Wii until they see a Zelda exclusive. Now that Wii U is announced, I think they might wait, but still, people are out there who have been waiting.



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Troll_Whisperer said:
This is borderline impossible now.

I can't see anything MS have prepared putting them ahead, short of releasing in China or something. Didn't MS have plans for that? Perhaps they got the green light to release there this November? Other than that, there is nothing they can do.

do u want to know something funny? the last 2 things i heard about that was MS didn't like the deal and Seece made a thrread about MS entering China, or seeming to.

whats even funnyer is that Sony has the same plan. its all about who launches first. at this point there nothing MS can do aside from releasing Halo 4 on black friday which wouldn't close the gap by the much.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
This is borderline impossible now.

I can't see anything MS have prepared putting them ahead, short of releasing in China or something. Didn't MS have plans for that? Perhaps they got the green light to release there this November? Other than that, there is nothing they can do.

do u want to know something funny? the last 2 things i heard about that was MS didn't like the deal and Seece made a thrread about MS entering China, or seeming to.

whats even funnyer is that Sony has the same plan. its all about who launches first. at this point there nothing MS can do aside from releasing Halo 4 on black friday which wouldn't close the gap by the much.

Well, if they don't do that they have to cut the price to $99 or have some other kind of crazy genious plan.

Most probably their comments were just a bit of FUD and we're taking them too seriously.



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Troll_Whisperer said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
This is borderline impossible now.

I can't see anything MS have prepared putting them ahead, short of releasing in China or something. Didn't MS have plans for that? Perhaps they got the green light to release there this November? Other than that, there is nothing they can do.

do u want to know something funny? the last 2 things i heard about that was MS didn't like the deal and Seece made a thrread about MS entering China, or seeming to.

whats even funnyer is that Sony has the same plan. its all about who launches first. at this point there nothing MS can do aside from releasing Halo 4 on black friday which wouldn't close the gap by the much.

Well, if they don't do that they have to cut the price to $99 or have some other kind of crazy genious plan.

Most probably their comments were just a bit of FUD and we're taking them too seriously.

well i had already predicted MS wouldn't make a pricedrop cause theres no need for it. Sony will need another PD next yr. to counter MS unless they have a full list of JRPG's.

the last month MS has to make any changes is Dec. and if they don't do it the wk or days before chsitmas they won't win. i never to there statments seriously. but when Sony said it i took them seriously and they've shown lots of growth.

if MS is waiting on BF and MW3 to boost sells tht high for the rest of the your they've lost it.