scented candles would be nice though. it kinda smells in here sometimes =P too much testosterone maybe, lol
d21lewis said:
*bolded* I'm trying my damndest to take the high road on this one...... Anyway, I have three little sisters. Two of them are simply phenomenal at video games (one's a third grade teacher and the other is in school to be an LPN). The third is working in a grocery store. In my particular brand of research--which is no research at all--girls who play video games succeed in life and girls who don't end up working at a grocery store. The facts don't lie. I don't think there needs to be special marketing of games towards women. As long as companies make good games, they'll find their way to gamers. All they have to do is promote these games where women will actually find out about them like how they show video games during pro wrestling so that guys will know about them. Something as simple as showing a girl playing a game and smiling (like how they did with Brain Age or Just Dance) would go a long way. More and more females are playing games these days and as far as I know, your money is just as green as mine (unless you live in some foreign country where the money is blue or grey or something). Not marketing in a way that women become aware of a good game is just leaving money on the table. |
it should be marketed but how? maybe getting a celebrity that atracts girls of a certain age to endorse the game? i see little girls with hanna montana PSPs around, it sells hardware might sell games as well
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Yeah, my little girl has a Hannah Montana PSP and a pink DS. I think it had more to do with the color of the console than her being a fan of Hanna Montana, though (trying to see how many different ways I can spell Hana.). I don't think companies market to guys with some sort of celebrity, either. I mean, an NBA game may sell because of Michael Jordan's endorsement but that's because we wanted to play an NBA game that featured Michael Jordon. I don't think Brad Pitt or Daniel Radcliffe are going to go a long way when it comes to convincing me that I'm going to have fun with a game. Video games are different from other forms of entertainment because it all comes down to fun. No particular actor like in TV/Movies and no particular writer like with books is going to be enough to convince us to part with our money. It's all about the experience.
Companies need to come up with a way to show females that the game they want to sell is going to be fun for a female audience. From this thread, I see that you guys seem to be really into RPG's and solo gaming experiences. Maybe they should advertise Mass Effect 3 during NFL Football as a kick ass war game--and then advertise Mass Effect 3 during The View (sorry. Having a hard time thinking of a female oriented show.) as a story heavy romance. Just use different techniques for different audiences. If the new Tomb Raider ad shows Lara as a strong female role model and shows that the gameplay revolves more around thinking that shooting guns, that's a good thing, right?
It's as simple as finding out which part of your game will appeal to women and then selling them on that part of the game. Or just make a universally appealing game like Mario Kart and let boys and girls play together. Either or.
--And once again, a one or two sentence reply has prompted me to write an essay. Do I just like the sound of my own voice!?
d21lewis said:
Yeah, my little girl has a Hannah Montana PSP and a pink DS. I think it had more to do with the color of the console than her being a fan of Hanna Montana, though (trying to see how many different ways I can spell Hana.). I don't think companies market to guys with some sort of celebrity, either. I mean, an NBA game may sell because of Michael Jordan's endorsement but that's because we wanted to play an NBA game that featured Michael Jordon. I don't think Brad Pitt or Daniel Radcliffe are going to go a long way when it comes to convincing me that I'm going to have fun with a game. Video games are different from other forms of entertainment because it all comes down to fun. No particular actor like in TV/Movies and no particular writer like with books is going to be enough to convince us to part with our money. It's all about the experience. Companies need to come up with a way to show females that the game they want to sell is going to be fun for a female audience. From this thread, I see that you guys seem to be really into RPG's and solo gaming experiences. Maybe they should advertise Mass Effect 3 during NFL Football as a kick ass war game--and then advertise Mass Effect 3 during The View (sorry. Having a hard time thinking of a female oriented show.) as a story heavy romance. Just use different techniques for different audiences. If the new Tomb Raider ad shows Lara as a strong female role model and shows that the gameplay revolves more around thinking that shooting guns, that's a good thing, right? It's as simple as finding out which part of your game will appeal to women and then selling them on that part of the game. Or just make a universally appealing game like Mario Kart and let boys and girls play together. Either or.
--And once again, a one or two sentence reply has prompted me to write an essay. Do I just like the sound of my own voice!? |
if you want a girl to start gaming for real, and not become just a casual gamer you have more chances before she enters college. young girls, especially in the US, from what i gather are very obsessed with young celebrities, it's sad i know.
after they reach a certain age and enter college it's still possible but it'll be much more difficult to make gaming one of her hobbies. i dont have gamer friends who are girls and my guy friends are much more casual gamers than me. i can tell you that girls past 18-20 that i know dont get my hobby, they cannot fathom spending more than 30 minutes in front of a game even if its a party game. it's like they have ADD or something.
d21lewis said:
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Rutea, I'm totally the opposite in terms of knowing gamers. I pretty much grew up with my girl friends and they tend to be at least a little geeky and many have family members who are avid gamers so they are more open to gaming with me. I've played Onimusha, Little Big Planet, Quake 2, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, WoW, Uncharted 2, and other games with my girl friends. And the guys I know, well, I work at a game developer, so I think you can guess the answer to that LOL.
d21lewis, I think you've contradicted yourself lol. You said, "I don't think there needs to be special marketing of games towards women." and then "Companies need to come up with a way to show females that the game they want to sell is going to be fun for a female audience." But yeah, I definitely think publishers should do more to entice women to play their core games both in placement and content of advertising. However, (and this ties in somewhat to my previous paragraph) there's an issue with receptiveness of the audience. How willing is the average woman to pick up a core game and try it out for herself? Despite any additional emphasis on story and character like a drama movie, I think there's some stigma attached to playing video games.
Currently playing: Gran Turismo 5
Just finished: Infamous 2
Sorry I'm not gaming much at the moment so not on here very often right now
Love the idea of the thread though and totally support it, If I had more time I would join in, once the rugby world cup is done I will spend more time here (I have a history supporting the sport and am a big fan, but the cup ends near the finish of october, so I'll be back then)
Absolutely stoked about the FFX HD announcement at tgs too (sorry had to say it) now just waiting for Bayonetta 2 to be announced
and yes, it seems we girls do love our JRPG's, I certainly do as do the few girls I know who play games (most off this site)
PLAYSTATION NATION LADY OF JRPGS 
Favourite Games of 2013 1.Tomb Raider(PS3) 2.Atelier Ayesha(PS3) 3.Virtues Last Reward (Vita)
d21lewis said:
Are we thnking of the same VGChartzgirl? The VGChartz girl I remember hacked the site on a few occasions and sent a friend request to every single active member on the site at the time. Then she bragged about how easy it was! And look at members like Lolita (our longest female member, I think), Onna76, Nintendofangirl, slick trick (G0d, she was hot!), and trashleg. I don't know about other sites but I don't think that any of us treated them weird. I mean, it's not like any of us will ever meet any of them in person. They live in other cities--often times, entirely different countries! My penis just can't reach that far! It was the girls (who were sometimes, guys) like P_Chan, Gballzack, Girl Gamer Elite, and a couple of others. The latter few seemed to really enjoy talking about nothing but sex (GGE even PM'd me some Kitty-Porn---featuring cat girls!). They got a lot of attention as a result and they gave girl members a bad name. But like I said in an earlier post, all a female gamer has to do to be respected on this site is post in the topics that interest them and have some idea what they're talking about. This is a gaming/social site. It's not Love Connection. It's not that serious. |
Huh wondered why I had her on my friends list lol! Did not know that about VGChartzGirl then again I wasn't as active back then as I am now! I wonder why she wasn't banned if she hacked the site? Wouldn't that get you a permaban?
I mentioned specifically other forums because the lack of girls on gaming forums is not unique to VGChartz, there haven't been many girls on any of the forums I have ever been a member of. Notice I mentioned X-Box Live because I actually know girls who won't talk on Mic's and changed their Live accounts to hide the fact they are girls.
As for the comments on VGChartz, they are much better then some other forums but if you follow off-topic or go in the NSFW section. But I gotta admit VGChartz is better then most sites and gaming communities. But again I am not a girl so I dunno if half of the hit ons that occur are flattering or offensive.
I have tried to get female friends on gaming forums and they usually say they don't want to get hit on and stuff. These same friends don't use Mic's on Live and such. Its just male gamers tend to come on strong when they see female gamers.
Man you were PM'd kitty porn, thats screwed up. Also the sexual talk from those female members probably contributed to other girls not joining.
Like you said a girl should and is usually able to post her opinion and contribute to the site. I think we have some very respectable female users even though we don't have all that many.
I dunno I should try again to get some girls on VGChartz, they write it off without even checking it out. Which I bet alot of girls do, that and those who don't probably read articles and watch but don't post.
But there is no lack of girl gamers, PAX was full of them and I don't buy the fact that these girl's are less gamers and like to talk about games less then we do. A ton of them were in cosplay and I met some real dedicated female gamers, which I don't see on VGChartz or other gaming forums. So there has to be a reason these dedicated female gamers aren't here or other forums, something is keeping them away and I'm just pointing at the logical things that might be preventing girls from signing up!
-JC7
"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer
spiffiness said:
d21lewis, I think you've contradicted yourself lol. You said, "I don't think there needs to be special marketing of games towards women." and then "Companies need to come up with a way to show females that the game they want to sell is going to be fun for a female audience." But yeah, I definitely think publishers should do more to entice women to play their core games both in placement and content of advertising. However, (and this ties in somewhat to my previous paragraph) there's an issue with receptiveness of the audience. How willing is the average woman to pick up a core game and try it out for herself? Despite any additional emphasis on story and character like a drama movie, I think there's some stigma attached to playing video games. |
Lady, I'm a walking contradiction (How bad? I'm not even walking right now. I'mm crawling!). But really, my change of opinion just came as a response to Rutea's question. I tried to brainstorm a solution. Yeah, there's still a stigma but as time goes on, technology improves, and video games continue to grow more and more popular, I think that we'll soon be at a time where video games are as respected as movies, music, and books. A man can dream, right?
*edit* responded from my phone yesterday. Now I'm on my PC!
2000cc and spiffiness show'd up. thats awsume.
Pics are your not really a female. lol
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