1. Guitar Hero, CoD, EA "serial" sports games about extreme milking, for example. Dumbing down happens on shooters with regenerating health, on RPGs of series that had free roaming and become linear, it happened a lot too on PC/XB multiplats due to XBox 1 limits.

2. I don't deny this, and I'm very disappointed that Ninty itself is underexploiting WMPlus higher precision features. But it's not due to Ninty if others do the same on other platforms, logic would suggest that successful "hardcore" games shouldn't be dumbed down to follow the simplest casual games, as the respective markets are very different. And not always simple means dumb, Ninty can (when it wants to) make games that are simple but excellent. Mediocre devs and publishers can mistake simplicity with stupidity looking for an inexistent cheap way to copy Nintendo's success, but it's their fault, not Nintendo's.

I'm as pissed as you about dumbing down of gaming, but I don't blame Nintendo.

PS: about Move, it looks to me that Sony isn't just chasing extreme casual with it, it designed it to be usable in both casual, simple games and in more complex ones, with its high precision required.

I can kinda see MS doing this because they seem to be really throwing Kinect as us, but Sony, im not seeing it. They barely advertise Move, what makes you think they will be gaga for it next gen?? Where is the proof of that. So you must be looking forward to Wii U??? Becasue Ninty is all about going after the core gamers with that one and im sure MS and Sony will not give up without a fight

1.

GH and music games I agree on. But for COD and sports games, I disagree. I want a new cod every year and sports games offer a lot of new every year (at least the ones I am buying). For example NHL series, they make it better every single year.

I don't see regenerating health as dumbing down, it makes the action more  frantic. I don't see how it is any "smarter" to run around looking for med kits. Free roaming isn't always a bliss either, I don't want to wander around for hours looking for something. In fact that annoys me. :P

Of course there are some games which make me very angry, for example Dragon age 2. I just can't stand that.

2.

I see it like this:

Nintendo makes simple games and if they are successfull, other developers copy them. That is why I blame nintendo. I don't see any simple nintendo games as excellent, I see them as they are. Simple games.

Ps.

Any nintendo zealots reading my post, I don't need your views on nintendo games. They are not going to affect my view on their games so don't even bother.

You aren't reading my posts.

Why on earth would I be looking for Wii U? To play yet another boring mario platformer/kart/brawler/whatever?

relax, i know your not looking forward to it, it was a joke. You dont like Ninty games, thats cool. But kinda hard to blame them if other devs want to copy them, that is the nature of the buisness

About 1, obviously most is matter of taste, also about regenerating health, I guess it's about tastes too, no regeneration and having to look for med kits means less frantic (but UT can be really frantic anyway, for example, also level design influences playing style a lot), you prefer more frantic. About free roaming, I often get lost in games like Morrowind, but I like them anyway, actually getting lost is to me part of their gameplay.   The only time I didn't like it was in Ultima VIII: Pagan, the lack of a map and the crude graphics making some places look all alike made exploring some parts like the catacombs a pain in the arse. 

About 2, for "simple" I mean also games that aren't actually too simple and easy, but are based on simple base concepts, like some 2D Mario classics: other devs see a simple and effective idea and they think a dumb idea and bland gameplay could work the same. Anyhow, despite considering many Mario games true classics, I'm not a Mario fan anymore, I liked a lot the first Mario and DK arcade games, but then I grew tired of them just like I stopped buying Tomb Raider games after the second. And Mario and Wario games I played on my sister's GameBoy and on a ex-GF of mine's one just pissed me off, but it's mostly GameBoy's fault, I hate small screens and small buttons. About simple sports games, the flood of shovelware that followed Ninty bestsellers is very annoying, but I doubt that shovelware devs would produce something better if they hadn't Ninty examples to copy. Actually that shovelware should sell little more than zero: when you've got WS, WSR, WiiFit and WiiFit Plus, you don't need many other casual sports games, even less crappy ones.

You know what Antabus, your post was to provoke people, it was pointless, and after all, Nintendo won this gen and Sony and MS made Motion Controls, so get over it, nothing will change that fact,

It is so nice to be part of these forums since maxwellgt lost his moderation rights.

Before that, you would have just get everyone banned for sharing their opinions. The fact is that this gen is still going and nintendo is losing marketshare as we speak. That could mean a brighter future for us non-nintendo gamers. Deal with it.

You're expecting a non existant holiday for Wii then.

Nintendo expect to ship 98 mill by March 31st, that could drop 2 mill (but I don't think anymore) so 96 shipped by March 31st. They'll definitely ship another 4 million in the next 3 Q's ....

At this rate it'll happen in Q4, if their forecast drops. If they hit 98 mill by March like they expect, should happen late Q3, or again Q4

I assumed it would happen in Q4 anyway. Early 2013 assumes an absolute worst case scenario, basically sales dropping off a cliff thanks to WiiU and Nintendo only forecasting about 5 million next fiscal year. Obviously not very likely.