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Should weaker countries invest more in their militaries to make themselves stronger?

Yes 18 26.09%
 
No 51 73.91%
 
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snakenobi on 10 August 2011

if they have anything to spend on...............haha

military doesn't really help in a world economy and in this modern world

it only helps the most powerful to maintain the lead



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Dr.Grass on 10 August 2011
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
I'm not a fan of anyone investing in their military. The US war machine is a modern day disgrace.


Why? Becuse they have the best military in the history of mankind and no one dares to throw a rock at them? Great military earns great respect among other countries

Instilling fear in others is not a sign of greatness.

Fear? How about respect?

*Dunno what you're talking about, but the general mass of people are not having much respect left for the US.

Spending a larger portion of your money on military prowess than anything else is not a sign of intelligence.

Its a sign of power

*Yes, but not necessarily intelligence. iAlso, n the last century power has come and gone to several nations (Germany, Russia and now India, China, Korea), and I wouldn't be surprised if goes rather than stays in this case.

Signing unprecedentedly massive contracts with arms dealers that will mould the future of the countries economy is not a sign of vision.

Its a sign or wealth and stability

*Whaaat? Being systematically sold to the World Bank and China is not wealth. And please tell me where is the stability.

Having all that power and using it in the middle east as opposed to Zimbabwe/Rwanda/Ivory Coast etc. all is not a sign of integrity.

Agreed

EDIT: If the US were to have a war against China in 2 years then I would say they don't stand a chance.

Disagree. US military is not oly the most modern and most powerful as well as richest, but also pretty large in numbers, they wouldnt need to go into war with China in 2 years, they would conquer it much quicker

You misunderstood me there. I said; If a war were to happen in two years from now, THEN China would take them. http://the-diplomat.com/china-power/2011/07/15/china-confirms-carrier-killer/




I applaud you for responding to all my points. Nothing is quite as irritating as selective quoting.



Player1x3 on 10 August 2011
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
I'm not a fan of anyone investing in their military. The US war machine is a modern day disgrace.


Why? Becuse they have the best military in the history of mankind and no one dares to throw a rock at them? Great military earns great respect among other countries

Instilling fear in others is not a sign of greatness.

Fear? How about respect?

*Dunno what you're talking about, but the general mass of people are not having much respect left for the US.

Maybe not for the US, but they sure as hell respect the US army

Spending a larger portion of your money on military prowess than anything else is not a sign of intelligence.

Its a sign of power

*Yes, but not necessarily intelligence. iAlso, n the last century power has come and gone to several nations (Germany, Russia and now India, China, Korea), and I wouldn't be surprised if goes rather than stays in this case.

We are talking about military power and that kind of power aint going nowhere, at least not in the case of United States

Signing unprecedentedly massive contracts with arms dealers that will mould the future of the countries economy is not a sign of vision.

Its a sign or wealth and stability

*Whaaat? Being systematically sold to the World Bank and China is not wealth. And please tell me where is the stability.

USA is still one of the biggest economies and one of the richest countries in the world.Their  army is very well funded as well

Having all that power and using it in the middle east as opposed to Zimbabwe/Rwanda/Ivory Coast etc. all is not a sign of integrity.

Agreed

EDIT: If the US were to have a war against China in 2 years then I would say they don't stand a chance.

Disagree. US military is not oly the most modern and most powerful as well as richest, but also pretty large in numbers, they wouldnt need to go into war with China in 2 years, they would conquer it much quicker

You misunderstood me there. I said; If a war were to happen in two years from now, THEN China would take them. http://the-diplomat.com/china-power/2011/07/15/china-confirms-carrier-killer/

I doubt it, but I guess we'll never know the truht unless the even actually happens




I applaud you for responding to all my points. Nothing is quite as irritating as selective quoting.

Hahahaha, lol, I love your criticism of user's posts. its really funny :D





Dr.Grass on 11 August 2011
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
I'm not a fan of anyone investing in their military. The US war machine is a modern day disgrace.


Why? Becuse they have the best military in the history of mankind and no one dares to throw a rock at them? Great military earns great respect among other countries

Instilling fear in others is not a sign of greatness.

Fear? How about respect?

*Dunno what you're talking about, but the general mass of people are not having much respect left for the US.

Maybe not for the US, but they sure as hell respect the US army

Spending a larger portion of your money on military prowess than anything else is not a sign of intelligence.

Its a sign of power

*Yes, but not necessarily intelligence. iAlso, n the last century power has come and gone to several nations (Germany, Russia and now India, China, Korea), and I wouldn't be surprised if goes rather than stays in this case.

We are talking about military power and that kind of power aint going nowhere, at least not in the case of United States

Signing unprecedentedly massive contracts with arms dealers that will mould the future of the countries economy is not a sign of vision.

Its a sign or wealth and stability

*Whaaat? Being systematically sold to the World Bank and China is not wealth. And please tell me where is the stability.

USA is still one of the biggest economies and one of the richest countries in the world.Their  army is very well funded as well

Having all that power and using it in the middle east as opposed to Zimbabwe/Rwanda/Ivory Coast etc. all is not a sign of integrity.

Agreed

EDIT: If the US were to have a war against China in 2 years then I would say they don't stand a chance.

Disagree. US military is not oly the most modern and most powerful as well as richest, but also pretty large in numbers, they wouldnt need to go into war with China in 2 years, they would conquer it much quicker

You misunderstood me there. I said; If a war were to happen in two years from now, THEN China would take them. http://the-diplomat.com/china-power/2011/07/15/china-confirms-carrier-killer/

I doubt it, but I guess we'll never know the truht unless the even actually happens




I applaud you for responding to all my points. Nothing is quite as irritating as selective quoting.

Hahahaha, lol, I love your criticism of user's posts. its really funny :D




Are you thinking of that recent case in the 'big bang' thread? I was a little pissed off that the user in question didn't reply to the important stuff!

Anyways, you are probably right that America is still light years ahead of everyone else combined in terms of military prowess. Unfortunately (I admit) I have been bitten by the anti-America bug as so many others have too. Its probably unjustified and a little childish on my part - soz!



Heavenly_King on 11 August 2011

most of the times weaker means poorer, so I think that they should invest in some other things first.



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Marks on 11 August 2011

No way man. I'm Canadian and I hope we don't start increasing spending on military. Look what its done to the US, they spend hundreds of billions of dollars they don't have on military and its gotten them a $14 trillion debt.

The only way I'd be for increased military spending is if we cut other social programs, but of course that won't happen since too many people will whine.



Marks on 11 August 2011
chocoloco said:
Yes, I look forward to the day when China has a mighty military. Tensions will be eased and the world will be safer place.


I hope that's sarcasm. I could really do with not being attacked by China in my lifetime. 



chocoloco on 11 August 2011
Marks said:
chocoloco said:
Yes, I look forward to the day when China has a mighty military. Tensions will be eased and the world will be safer place.


I hope that's sarcasm. I could really do with not being attacked by China in my lifetime. 

You have to use sarcasim in Joel's threads or else you will go crazy thinking how absurd some of his notions are.



Kasz216 on 11 August 2011
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
I'm not a fan of anyone investing in their military. The US war machine is a modern day disgrace.


Why? Becuse they have the best military in the history of mankind and no one dares to throw a rock at them? Great military earns great respect among other countries

Instilling fear in others is not a sign of greatness.

Fear? How about respect?

Spending a larger portion of your money on military prowess than anything else is not a sign of intelligence.

Its a sign of power

Signing unprecedentedly massive contracts with arms dealers that will mould the future of the countries economy is not a sign of vision.

Its a sign or wealth and stability

Having all that power and using it in the middle east as opposed to Zimbabwe/Rwanda/Ivory Coast etc. all is not a sign of integrity.

Agreed

EDIT: If the US were to have a war against China in 2 years then I would say they don't stand a chance.

Disagree. US military is not oly the most modern and most powerful as well as richest, but also pretty large in numbers, they wouldnt need to go into war with China in 2 years, they would conquer it much quicker

 


Actually a War with China would probably just be a stalemate.  US couldn't invade, while China wouldn't get anywhere near the USA.  The USA would probably "win" in that China would sign a favorable peace treaty, just due to the fact that the US would be bombing the crap outta china, destroying their resources and cutting off all supply lines and China couldn't scratch the US but still... take over China?   No way.

 

The thing about the US Military is, that the US actually gets an investment by spending as much as they do.

We tend to think all the modern miltaries tech wise are about even....

Really the top dollar US Technology is actually miles ahead of other countries in a surprising way.  There are US fighters that could take out entire squadrons of other countries top level fighters.

This can be seen most recently in Libya.  Where the UK and France started a war.... but the US had to go in there and soften up Libya so France and the UK could handle it with no casualties... and even then the US has to provide logisitcal support because our equipment is just that much better.

 

2 years is near enough time to catch up to the US tech.  Well unless the Chinese Governments hacking teams become more successful.



Kasz216 on 11 August 2011
Joelcool7 said:
RolStoppable said:
Joelcool7 said:

What if in the future their was an attack on Canada and instead of everyone asking what "America is going to do" they asked "What is Canada going to do".

Due to Canada's geographical position, it would most likely be the USA who were starting this hypothetical attack, so your statement is quite silly.


Yah your sorta right. Right now the countries invading us are USA, Russia and Greenland. All three countries are claiming more and more Canadian waters and soil for themselves. Its so bad that our Prime Minister deployed the army to keep them at bay. If a war were to start chances are one of those three would be the one invading Canada. We could take Greenland but without a tougher military the US or Russia would walk right over us. Yet another reason Canada should arm itself to the teeth. Wheres our aircraft carriers and battleships and our air force.

The only thing preventing USA and Russia from invading us for our resources. It would lead to WWIII because Russia wouldn't let the US take over Canada. US wouldn't let Russia take over Canada. And if either of them tried the whole Common Wealth would be on their ass. But that doesn't mean Canada should sit defenceless, we need a kick ass army to defend us!


I don't think any amount of Canadian spending could make it so the USA wouldn't walk right over you in a war.  The US is just... bigger, and more advanced technology wise... and can just spend waaaaaay more in R&D. 

Russia, has stagnated a lot tech wise, so Russia you could get out ahead of probably....

but the USA..... honestly, your better off just staying on the USA's good side, buying all the US most advanced tech once it hits the market, then when the US has a huge fiscal problem or something, convince them to buy the most advanced tech you can get... and start from there.

 

To use a videogame term, the US Miltiary has a heavy case of SNK Boss Syndrome going on.  Unbeatable unless you use the cheapest most underhanded not even playing the same game you would vs any other opponent tactics.


If your worried about the US, i'd invest more in tunnel building technology and undetectable weapon caches and weapon smuggling routes like Afghanistan.