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sales2099 on 11 August 2011
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

Never did.....my examples were all exclusives with a previous release on PS3. They are still exclusives but clearly you saw me ONLY referring to sequels under performing to a previous PS3 release. 

I just checked the 10 week totals of KZ2 and KZ3.....3 is tracking below. Infamous 2 is tracking slightly below part 1 in the same 9 week timeframe. But again....its not encouraging to see sequel sales tracking slightly lower when they should be higher if these exclusives are truly "worth buying". Nice try. 

And thanks for confirming my origional sentiment that Uncharted 2 was the sole exception. All though Uncharted 3 might just track lower, well see. 

I matched you point for point here. Sequel exclusives just underwhelm in sales. 

And your right, 360 users dont care about non Halo/Gears/Forza exclusives. But that was a given. The truth that ps3 gamers dont care about their exclusives (with ps3 sequels) is still a cleverly concealed truth. 

There is no "cleverly concealed truth" anywhere, as sequels often perform worse on any given platform (which is what any reasonable person would tell you). I'm just telling you it isn't tailored to the PS3 solely and have given examples to not only compliment the statement, but show that it isn't always a rule either - there are exceptions in any case. Take it or leave it, but that is what it is.

I knew it isn't tailored to just PS3, merely pointing it out. We had this discussion before but I am not sure what other forums you frequent but I see stuff where the majority sentiment is that PS3 exclusives just fly off the shelves and the 360 ones gather dust. Sorry again I am seeing that this place is far more reasonable to talk to. 

Sorry but your examples all tracked lower then the predecessor and the others were new IPs or had a predessor on PS2, thus disqualifying that from my point....jus saying, no offence. 

Think were done here, until next time :)

The PS2 examples still apply, as they are exclusives and are sequels. You can't use Killzone 2/3 & Ratchet & Clank, but then claim God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, or Metal Gear Solid 4 "don't qualify". That would be a blatant double standard. All had PS2 predecessors, all have PS3 exclusive sequels.

Regardless, read the edited version of that post. I realize debating this with you was pointless from the beginning - because it doesn't apply at all to what you've been claiming. Uncharted 3 isn't a good example of "PS3 fans not caring for exclusives anymore".


Market share/install base of PS2 and PS3 makes that totally different. If PS3 was the #1 selling console this gen then well talk. Damn right its a double standard......cause its more reasonable to compare two games on the same console then comparing games from TWO separate gens. So no, well talk when PS3 gets GOW4 and GT6. 

Again.....the exception to the rule. Doesnt change every example I mentioned...a PS3 game with a PS3 sequel performing lower. 



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Boutros on 11 August 2011

@sales2099

To be honest you don't have much of an argument. It's very normal for sequels not to sell as good as the original release. It's been that way from as long as I can remember. Some examples:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3108/donkey-kong-country/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3109/donkey-kong-country-2-diddys-kong-quest/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3111/donkey-kong-country-3-dixie-kongs-double-trouble/

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/6301/jak-and-daxter-the-precursor-legacy/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/1045/jak-ii/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/1046/jak-3/

It's a normal cycle in a gen.



sales2099 on 11 August 2011
Boutros said:
@sales2099

To be honest you don't have much of an argument. It's very normal for sequels not to sell as good as the original release. It's been that way from as long as I can remember. Some examples:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3108/donkey-kong-country/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3109/donkey-kong-country-2-diddys-kong-quest/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/3111/donkey-kong-country-3-dixie-kongs-double-trouble/

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/6301/jak-and-daxter-the-precursor-legacy/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/1045/jak-ii/
http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/1046/jak-3/

It's a normal cycle in a gen.


I am sure many examples can be brought up. My overall point was that the sales are lower with Uncharted picking up steam as the exception. Since it is the overall trend everywhere as people say, then I guess Im right :P, at the least for pointing out a trend on one console lol. ok guess well leave it at that. 



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sales2099 on 11 August 2011
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

Market share/install base of PS2 and PS3 makes that totally different. If PS3 was the #1 selling console this gen then well talk. Damn right its a double standard......cause its more reasonable to compare two games on the same console then comparing games from TWO separate gens. So no, well talk when PS3 gets GOW4 and GT6. 

Again.....the exception to the rule. Doesnt change every example I mentioned...a PS3 game with a PS3 sequel performing lower. 

Your stipulations keep changing, but I still don't think your argument is strong. Sequels tend to sell worse (the 360 & Wii both have examples as well). There's no conspiacy to claim the PS3 isn't a part of such a rule, but your original example (in conjunction to what you said regarding Battlefield 3) isn't one of the examples of sequels selling less - at least, not yet. Therefore, your original comment was unnecessary (i.e. made no sense).

Ah I see what I did. Thanks. My mindset changed from 1st comment until now. Well then I retract my very original comment partly.....because I still think Battlefield 3 will outsell Uncharted 3 based on pre orders alone. But I still stand by my other comments.....even if you and others claim its common practice on every console. Seedier forums would actually give an impression of a PS3 conspiracy regarding their exclusives but I won't get into that. Guess were done here. 

EDIT: I believe this answers your recent post. Still doesn't invalidate the examples I gave after, regardless if it is common practise on every console. I thought at the time of writing that that Uncharted 3 would perform lower then 2 but again, I am a firm believer in exceptions to the rule. 



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sales2099 on 11 August 2011
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Your stipulations keep changing, but I still don't think your argument is strong. Sequels tend to sell worse (the 360 & Wii both have examples as well). There's no conspiacy to claim the PS3 isn't a part of such a rule, but your original example (in conjunction to what you said regarding Battlefield 3) isn't one of the examples of sequels selling less - at least, not yet. Therefore, your original comment was unnecessary (i.e. made no sense).

Ah I see what I did. Thanks. My mindset changed from 1st comment until now. Well then I retract my very original comment partly.....because I still think Battlefield 3 will outsell Uncharted 3 based on pre orders alone. But I still stand by my other comments.....even if you and others claim its common practice on every console. Seedier forums would actually give an impression of a PS3 conspiracy regarding their exclusives but I won't get into that. Guess were done here. 

I agree that Uncharted 3 won't outsell Battlefiled 3 (at least on the 360). I would also agree that other forums make other cases, but we aren't on those other forums.

Fair enough good sir. Until next time :)



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Jay520 on 11 August 2011

sales2099, if Uncharted is the sole exception, wouldn't that make your 'Ps3 owners don't care about their exclusives' irrelevant? Since we are talking about Uncharted?



Mordred11 on 11 August 2011
sales2099 said:

Fair enough good sir. Until next time :)

I thought you guys will never stop arguing



fauzman on 12 August 2011
Mordred11 said:
fauzman said:
Jay520 said:
First Week: Battlefield 3 definitely. Bad Company had a pretty high first week. Battlefield 3's FW will likely be higher due to more pre-orders

First 10 weeks: Depends.

It all depends on the quality of the games. Will Battlefield be the COD killer that EA Wants? or will casuals just see it as another Medal of Honor? Will Uncharted 3's multiplayer be the CoD-killer that Naughty Dog wants? Will it take the industry by storm like Uncharted 2 did? These unknowns will play a large factor in which has a higher first 10 weeks.

I guess Battlefield 3 because it will have a rather large opening & hype.

Lifetime: Most likely Uncharted 3. Past Battlefields have had poor legs.

Ditto. U3 will take it in the end.

So you also think that for the 10 first weeks,Battlefield 3 will take it?

Kinda tricky. BF3 is doing better in US (on preorders) and i suspect UC3 will do better in EMEAA, but yeah, i suspect BF3 will have the higher sales initially (though i hope UC3 will surprise me and get a surge in the final few weeks before launch).  



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Mordred11 on 12 August 2011
fauzman said:
Mordred11 said:
fauzman said:
Jay520 said:
First Week: Battlefield 3 definitely. Bad Company had a pretty high first week. Battlefield 3's FW will likely be higher due to more pre-orders

First 10 weeks: Depends.

It all depends on the quality of the games. Will Battlefield be the COD killer that EA Wants? or will casuals just see it as another Medal of Honor? Will Uncharted 3's multiplayer be the CoD-killer that Naughty Dog wants? Will it take the industry by storm like Uncharted 2 did? These unknowns will play a large factor in which has a higher first 10 weeks.

I guess Battlefield 3 because it will have a rather large opening & hype.

Lifetime: Most likely Uncharted 3. Past Battlefields have had poor legs.

Ditto. U3 will take it in the end.

So you also think that for the 10 first weeks,Battlefield 3 will take it?

Kinda tricky. BF3 is doing better in US (on preorders) and i suspect UC3 will do better in EMEAA, but yeah, i suspect BF3 will have the higher sales initially (though i hope UC3 will surprise me and get a surge in the final few weeks before launch).  

Ok.I'm gonna put you in the ''out'' category with the others.



BHR-3 on 12 August 2011

im out

think BF3 will pass it FW and after 10 weeks, for LT and BF3 ps3s sku its all up to how good BF3 will be and if it will interest the casuals

i personally like the additions that BF3 is bringing to the table, especially all the animations, should really give a immersive feeling compared to COD and even alot of other FPS on the market, idk if the casuals will notice these types of additions or if theyll just stick to CODs fast past run and gun type action



                                                             

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