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Player1x3 said:
What happened to all his posts? How am I supposed to quote him now?

You gotta to play the game, quote him and respond with "This user's post has been removed."

edit: he seems to be banned until tomorrow.



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HappySqurriel said:
While I think there is a valid point that straight people don't have the same need for a pride parade that gay people had when the parades first started, for the most part gay people in many/most western countries no longer need pride parades either; and it could be argued that in many regions these parades go far beyond what is acceptable or legal and the police should do their job and enforce the law in regards to public nudity and lewd acts.

You'd be surprised.  Rights for gay people are less fleshed out then you'd think.

In a lot of countries and states it's actually perfectly legal to fire someone because they are gay.

 

As for the topic at hand... I'd call it silly, but that's as far as i'd go.

Reminds me of the guy who created the "United White Person's College Fund" just to make  a point about the various racial scholarships like the "United Negros College fund".

Afterall, if one is legal, both HAVE to be legal.



scottie said:
Marks said:
Seece said:
Marks said:
That's awesome! I really hope they do this. And anyone who is against this should be considered a heterophobic, because if they're not allowed to have a straight pride parade then that is a massive double standard.

That's just silly, I'm not hetrophobic and I am against this idea.

It's amusing/worrying how people don't get this ' oh gays have one so why can't straights'

It really isn't that simple. think WHY gays have one, think WHY black people celebrate their culture and such. There is a REASON for it. White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Gay pride and celebrating black history isn't about being racist against whites and hetrophobic. White pride and straight pride .. really? It'd be singling black and gays out. If you don't get that then ... damn. It's ABC ...

I get what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. So since white people and straight people haven't been descriminated against historically we aren't allowed to celebrate our culture like blacks or gays? 

Plus  straight white males have it the hardest out of any racial/cultural group these days thanks to affirmative action, racial quotas, etc. Minorities get so many advantages over white people. And it won't be long until white people are a minority in the US. Will we be allowed to have parades once we're the minority?

 

http://www.suite101.com/content/matthew-shepard-murdered-for-being-gay-a98581

http://www.365gay.com/video/texas-sailor-murdered-for-being-gay/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a26_1223127748&comments=1 (Woman murdered for being black)

 

Yep, straight white males have it so tough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ross_Parker

And

http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/tookie2.htm

"Williams also said he killed Owens "because he was white and he was killing all white people."

It's not to hard to find people killed because of their race... any race.   Though it is slightly harder to find white vitctims, though partially because it's not really reported on as much, as even the BBC admittied in the first link.



Seece said:

White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Funny you say white people have never had to face prejudice.  A HUGE number of scholarships (around here anyways) are solely for people of a different ethnicity.  But there are absolutely no scholarships that are only for white people.  What this means is 100% of scholarships are open to people of ethnicity, and, just as an estimate, only 70% are available to me as a white male.

I know perfectly well that we treated the Africans like absolute shit back in the day (and some people still do nowadays).  If they want to be equal, however, treat them equal.  Having considerably more scholarships available just because you are a different ethnicity is not treating them equal, it is treating them better than us.  Don't get me wrong, I know they are still treated unequaling in certain areas, but with something such as this, it would be SO easy to make it into a system that treats everybody equally, and that would simply involve not allowing scholarships to be based on ethnicity.



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Baalzamon said:
Seece said:

White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Funny you say white people have never had to face prejudice.  A HUGE number of scholarships (around here anyways) are solely for people of a different ethnicity.  But there are absolutely no scholarships that are only for white people.  What this means is 100% of scholarships are open to people of ethnicity, and, just as an estimate, only 70% are available to me as a white male.

I know perfectly well that we treated the Africans like absolute shit back in the day (and some people still do nowadays).  If they want to be equal, however, treat them equal.  Having considerably more scholarships available just because you are a different ethnicity is not treating them equal, it is treating them better than us.  Don't get me wrong, I know they are still treated unequaling in certain areas, but with something such as this, it would be SO easy to make it into a system that treats everybody equally, and that would simply involve not allowing scholarships to be based on ethnicity.

Those scholarships were instilled in a time when it was impossible for non-whites to get a scholarship (or even get admitted to a school/university). Their purpose is to make sure that non-white people (as a group) are represented sufficiently in schools/universities and that future generations of non-whites are educated. It's a way to achieve equality at an accelerated rate (else either prejudice or socio-economic constraints would make it impossible for non-whites to ascend in society.

Making a system that treats everybody equally requires everybody wanting everyobdy treated equally, which had not been and still is not the case.



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sapphi_snake said:

@Player1x3:

I'll see if I can find that Windows CD. Damn, im gonna lose everything

The problem is that the virus may have infected everything on your PC. You should ask someone more savy than me though. Maybe just installing an AV program might work. After you backup your more important info, it would still be a great ideea to format and reinstall Windows though.

I dont really care that much. I am just trying to figure out how to bring the sound back to security mode


Vietnam, Jim Crow laws and McCarthyism (which made the US as oppressive as communist countries)? Yeah, good times...

Vietnam was in 60s and I was talking more about the lifestyle and culture American people had back than, rathern that the american politics

So you're a sexist too. Not surprising.

Lol, what?


You do realize you've just admitted to watching Desperate Housewives, right?

I dont, my mom does. And I've seen some of the scenes from some of the episodes and how much of men men in Desperate Housewifes  really are. I mean, they might as well buy a whip for their wifes so they can strike them every time they disobey. Pathetic pussies

Don't worry. Even though the next season of Housewives will be it's last, I'm sure that another female-targeted show will grab your attention eventually.

I only wacthed Sex & City and i only did so back in young teenage years for sex scenes. I perfer shows like OZ, Prison Break and Rome

Oh, ok, but that also means countries with non white majority like South Africa and China shouldnt celebrate their traditional culture, because they are already in majority, right? Dont you realize that you are not making any sense? This only confirms my thoery that you have some weird

I think your problem is that you keep misunderstanding me. All countries celebrate their traditional culture. Pretty much all national holidays are ceelbrations of 'traditional culture'. Pride events were developed by minorities (groups that were excluded from the 'traditional' spheres of a society) to express their own cultures or identities. The fact thata majority and privileged group (such as whites or heterosexuals) would want to develop 'pride' events, as a reaction to what minorities are doing, despite the fact that they're celebrated by the regular holidays/events that happen all year round (as they essentially represent the mainstream),only shows intolerance and the desire to manifest supremacy/superiority.

There is not a single holiday or any kind of traditional celebration in existance that embraces WHITES and/or HETROSEXUALS exclusevly. And every time somone shows that is proud of its orgin, he/she gets labbeld as fasicst and nazi by people like yourself (but only if the person is white) And just a quick question. Following your logic, the whites in Sout Africa should definitevly have a pride parade, seeing as how they are a minority in a foregin country and how they are left out of traditional spheres of a society, right?


They are real countries, and they're not. There's no real unity within those countries. As I said, they're just tribes lumped together by former European colonial powers. Why do you think there are so many ethinic conflicts in Africa today? Because the people in those countries don't see themselves as a 'nation' united by anything.

How about I birng up China than? There are dozens of cultures there beside the mainstream chinese one

Not really, you are the one who used the sentence ''white people to celebrate thier whiteness'', so I tought you are talking about  Americans of western European ancenstry for some reason. And, here in the west, white yout is still heavly influenced by Hip hop/ rap. VERY influenced

I was talking about white Amerticans. You were somehow extending this to the whole world, for some reason. And culture is constantly evolving, and is influenced by other cultures (or even subcultures). It still doesn't mean that minorities suddenly become the mainstream, jsut some aspects with which the majority is comfortable with.

What makes white Americans any different than other whites in the world. How does that chnage anything?

YEs, but the popularity could actually be mainly amongst black people. Haven't you thought of that?

Yet, I was specifically talking about its popularity between white males,, dont know why you brough up blacks,


There's no actual 'white race'. Just a 'caucasian race' (of which gypsies are part of).

There is but a white ethnic group


And does that excuse white Americans from making that their former black slaves become integrated in society?

Well, first off to answer your question, it excuses them with the fact that slavery was abbandoned 200 years ago, for once. Second, it excuses them with the fact that white Americans of today enslaved no one. And finally, (this was the main point if my post abve) there were hunderds of thousands white slaves in the world as well, but I dont see you crying about them, so none of the people that enslaved whites should feel good about thier orgin and ancestry, nor should they have any kind of parade of pride, huh?

Hahahahahaha, you truly are amazing you know that? So going by your divine logic, every single human of every single ancestry should feel bad for what its ancestors did. So the whole world should be living in disgust, self loath and shame? You just keep astounishing me with every new post you make.

Realistically, we all should be disgusted with the world and with humanity. The world is a terrible place, inhabited by terrible people who are selfish and inteolerant and kill eachother for the most petty of reasons. People just ignore this (or don't even realize it, or simply don't care) and repeat the cycle over and over.

So just because you are sel loathing the whole world should be? Do you have any idea how this world would turn out if everybod would hate and be ashamed of themslefes? There wouldnt be any need for Hell, because we would already be in it. People shouldnt hate thier own race, much less their own species, they should be produ of what they are, regardless of race and nationality

Still, it's the responsability of a society to protect it's citizens and assure they're not persecuted, even of those citizens are a minority population that was enslaved from Africa.

What about the people that werent esnalved in African, instead in Europe?





sapphi_snake said:
Baalzamon said:
Seece said:

White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Funny you say white people have never had to face prejudice.  A HUGE number of scholarships (around here anyways) are solely for people of a different ethnicity.  But there are absolutely no scholarships that are only for white people.  What this means is 100% of scholarships are open to people of ethnicity, and, just as an estimate, only 70% are available to me as a white male.

I know perfectly well that we treated the Africans like absolute shit back in the day (and some people still do nowadays).  If they want to be equal, however, treat them equal.  Having considerably more scholarships available just because you are a different ethnicity is not treating them equal, it is treating them better than us.  Don't get me wrong, I know they are still treated unequaling in certain areas, but with something such as this, it would be SO easy to make it into a system that treats everybody equally, and that would simply involve not allowing scholarships to be based on ethnicity.

Those scholarships were instilled in a time when it was impossible for non-whites to get a scholarship (or even get admitted to a school/university). Their purpose is to make sure that non-white people (as a group) are represented sufficiently in schools/universities and that future generations of non-whites are educated. It's a way to achieve equality at an accelerated rate (else either prejudice or socio-economic constraints would make it impossible for non-whites to ascend in society.

Making a system that treats everybody equally requires everybody wanting everyobdy treated equally, which had not been and still is not the case.

thats what we call equality of results not equality of oportunity.

it doesnt matter what it was intended for, what matters is what it does. and it does discriminate, it does give one group preferential treatment over another. if it was wrong then, it is wrong now.

i have a cousin who has her dad who is white and mom who is black, so she is half black if you will, that means she is eligable for way scholarships than me. What did she do to deserve those scholarships? she was born to a mother with darker skin than I.

i also have a cousin of a cousin (my cousin's cousin, which we a close to) cant have children, and they adopted one Child from russia (she is white, with blond hair and blue eyes) and another from africa (she is back, with brown eyes) they are sisters who have grown up in the same household, provided with the same provisions. had the same advantages and disadvantages, but when its time for them to go to college, one withhave a signifacantly easier time paying for it. Why? all because one has more melanin than the other.



its okay to discriminate as long as its against white males. if against against any other group you are a homophobic, sexist racist bigot, that hates people and are a white supremacist even if you arent white.



@Player1x3:

Vietnam was in 60s and I was talking more about the lifestyle and culture American people had back than, rathern that the american politics

Those things were very important parts of American culture back then.

 

I dont, my mom does. And I've seen some of the scenes from some of the episodes and how much of men men in Desperate Housewifes  really are. I mean, they might as well buy a whip for their wifes so they can strike them every time they disobey. Pathetic pussies

Their attitude actually causes them great relationship problems most of the time. You should watch the show more often. Currently, all of them (the women) are failing miserably at relationsips.

 

I only wacthed Sex & City and i only did so back in young teenage years for sex scenes. I perfer shows like OZ, Prison Break and Rome

LOL, I started watching the show for the exact same reason. Were the promos oversexed over there too?

 

There is not a single holiday or any kind of traditional celebration in existance that embraces WHITES and/or HETROSEXUALS exclusevly.

All national holidays of a country embrace the culture of that country. For example, since France is a country where historically whites were the majority, and make up the main historical figures, all national it's holidays embrace the (white) culture of France.

 

And just a quick question. Following your logic, the whites in Sout Africa should definitevly have a pride parade, seeing as how they are a minority in a foregin country and how they are left out of traditional spheres of a society, right?

One word: APARTHEID.

 

How about I birng up China than? There are dozens of cultures there beside the mainstream chinese one

I don't really know anything of 'dozens of cultures' being present in China. Where did you get that?

 

What makes white Americans any different than other whites in the world. How does that chnage anything?

There is but a white ethnic group

I'm gonna treat these points together. There is no such thing as 'white culture'. There is no unity between white people. An American is an American, a Brit is a Brit, a Spaniard is a Spaniard. The reason why things like 'black culture' even exists is because white colonialists lumped all black people together based on their skin colour. Those in the US have had their identities totally erased, but in Africa you'll find as much unity amongst black people as you find amongst white people in Europe.

The reason why I was referring specifically to white Americans is because well, all white people in the world are different from eachother, and you have to judge is nationality individually.

 

Yet, I was specifically talking about its popularity between white males,, dont know why you brough up blacks,

You've actually bought no real proof that hip hop is extremely popular among white males. What makes you think it's more popular than say... rock! I was saying that the commercial success of hip hop music in the US could be due to black people listenign to that music, not white people.

 

So just because you are sel loathing the whole world should be? Do you have any idea how this world would turn out if everybod would hate and be ashamed of themslefes? There wouldnt be any need for Hell, because we would already be in it. People shouldnt hate thier own race, much less their own species, they should be produ of what they are, regardless of race and nationality

There is no hell. Well, some places in the world can already be called that (Somalia for example). It's humans who create hell, and from what I'm seeing, it's usually the ones who are a little too proud in their race/nationality etc.


What about the people that werent esnalved in African, instead in Europe?

What people were enslaved in Europe? And by whom? Europeans by Europeans? Gypsies by Europeans (like in my country)?



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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Baalzamon said:
Seece said:

White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Funny you say white people have never had to face prejudice.  A HUGE number of scholarships (around here anyways) are solely for people of a different ethnicity.  But there are absolutely no scholarships that are only for white people.  What this means is 100% of scholarships are open to people of ethnicity, and, just as an estimate, only 70% are available to me as a white male.

I know perfectly well that we treated the Africans like absolute shit back in the day (and some people still do nowadays).  If they want to be equal, however, treat them equal.  Having considerably more scholarships available just because you are a different ethnicity is not treating them equal, it is treating them better than us.  Don't get me wrong, I know they are still treated unequaling in certain areas, but with something such as this, it would be SO easy to make it into a system that treats everybody equally, and that would simply involve not allowing scholarships to be based on ethnicity.

Those scholarships were instilled in a time when it was impossible for non-whites to get a scholarship (or even get admitted to a school/university). Their purpose is to make sure that non-white people (as a group) are represented sufficiently in schools/universities and that future generations of non-whites are educated. It's a way to achieve equality at an accelerated rate (else either prejudice or socio-economic constraints would make it impossible for non-whites to ascend in society.

Making a system that treats everybody equally requires everybody wanting everyobdy treated equally, which had not been and still is not the case.

Well actually, most were made after then...

regardless, those contraints largey don't really exist anymore.

So you have to ask...  what makes a poor white person not worthy of help when compaired to poor people of other races?

Let alone say... races like Asian people who actually have the stereotype of being BETTER then average when it comes to inellegence.

It's easy to call such systems just when you look at things from the terms of trying to get some numbers of certain categories to line up....

but when you look at the indivdual people effected... it's harder to justify race based polcies.

It gets even trickier when you realize a lot of the people who benefit from race based scholarships are likely middle class or higher, because they are well... more prepaired for economic success since the scholarships just look for people of a certain race who are likely to succeed.

So you often end up with poor people not being able to get into college while rich or middle class people of another race get a free ride.  Are these scholarships largely helping black people rise up in society, or are they being largely used to seperate the Upper and Middle class of black people from the poor?

These reasons are why a lot of people prefer need based funding.  You get money based on your need, no matter who you are.