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sapphi_snake on 07 August 2011
mantlepiecek said:
I have to say such special treatment to the gays only makes them look weaker, and nothing else. I mean I have nothing against the gays but if they are allowed a Pride parade then so should the straight. Is the gay community so afraid of the straight community?

And the gays are allowed to celebrate valentine's day, really. Its nothing related to heterosexuality.
Also because gays are facing discrimination doesn't make it ok to discriminate against heteros.

The comparison with homeless people doesn't work because this is a social problem not a financial problem. At present the only thing that the authorities consider is the sexual orientation. And that is pretty discriminating.

Just because one was discriminated in the past doesn't mean he has the right to discriminate now.

The comparisson to the homeless is fitting, as helping the homeless is a social issue, not a financial one.

I also fail to see how heterosexual are discriminated against. And gays have every reason to be weary of heteroseuxals, considering they're their oppressors.



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mantlepiecek on 07 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
mantlepiecek said:
I have to say such special treatment to the gays only makes them look weaker, and nothing else. I mean I have nothing against the gays but if they are allowed a Pride parade then so should the straight. Is the gay community so afraid of the straight community?

And the gays are allowed to celebrate valentine's day, really. Its nothing related to heterosexuality.
Also because gays are facing discrimination doesn't make it ok to discriminate against heteros.

The comparison with homeless people doesn't work because this is a social problem not a financial problem. At present the only thing that the authorities consider is the sexual orientation. And that is pretty discriminating.

Just because one was discriminated in the past doesn't mean he has the right to discriminate now.

The comparisson to the homeless is fitting, as helping the homeless is a social issue, not a financial one.

I also fail to see how heterosexual are discriminated against. And gays have every reason to be weary of heteroseuxals, considering they're their oppressors.

Helping the homeless is a social issue that is tackled by issuing funds. Its not tackled by taking away homes from the one's that have shelter.

One thing you have to understand is that not all heterosexuals are oppressors.  So making laws/privileges that only benefit one section of the society and not allowing the other is pretty discriminatory. Even if they are the minority.



sapphi_snake on 07 August 2011

@mantlepiecek:

Helping the homeless is a social issue that is tackled by issuing funds. Its not tackled by taking away homes from the one's that have shelter.

And the relevance to this conversation is?

One thing you have to understand is that not all heterosexuals are oppressors.

As a group, heterosexuals are oppressors.

So making laws/privileges that only benefit one section of the society and not allowing the other is pretty discriminatory. Even if they are the minority.

It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

mantlepiecek on 07 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:

@mantlepiecek:

Helping the homeless is a social issue that is tackled by issuing funds. Its not tackled by taking away homes from the one's that have shelter.

And the relevance to this conversation is?

One thing you have to understand is that not all heterosexuals are oppressors.

As a group, heterosexuals are oppressors.

So making laws/privileges that only benefit one section of the society and not allowing the other is pretty discriminatory. Even if they are the minority.

It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?).

Bolded proves you know nothing about individuality.

 

"It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?)."

There's no purpose of these laws. Celebrating "Gay pride parade" and "Straight pride parade" is one and the same. I consider them both meaningless. But if one is ok, the other should be ok too. As far as affirmative action is concerned, then its even more discriminatory against innocent people who may have never discriminated against the gays/blacks/etc.



scottie on 07 August 2011
mantlepiecek said:
I mean I have nothing against the gays but if they are allowed a Pride parade then so should the straight. Is the gay community so afraid of the straight community?


Just because one was discriminated in the past doesn't mean he has the right to discriminate now.


I can't speak for anyone else, only myself. I have no objections to straight pride festivals. But this particular parade is not a straight pride parade. This is a homophobia parade, please take the time to read my earlier posts in this thread

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170286

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170291

The spokesperson behind this parade is not organising it out of a love for his sexuality. He is organising it out of hatred and fear of other's sexualities and it should thus not be allowed in its current form.



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Millenium on 07 August 2011

Honestly, good for them, i really hope they get this opportunity for a heterosexual parade.



Marks on 07 August 2011
scottie said:
Marks said:
Seece said:
Marks said:
That's awesome! I really hope they do this. And anyone who is against this should be considered a heterophobic, because if they're not allowed to have a straight pride parade then that is a massive double standard.

That's just silly, I'm not hetrophobic and I am against this idea.

It's amusing/worrying how people don't get this ' oh gays have one so why can't straights'

It really isn't that simple. think WHY gays have one, think WHY black people celebrate their culture and such. There is a REASON for it. White people and straight people have never had to face prejudice.

Gay pride and celebrating black history isn't about being racist against whites and hetrophobic. White pride and straight pride .. really? It'd be singling black and gays out. If you don't get that then ... damn. It's ABC ...

I get what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. So since white people and straight people haven't been descriminated against historically we aren't allowed to celebrate our culture like blacks or gays? 

Plus  straight white males have it the hardest out of any racial/cultural group these days thanks to affirmative action, racial quotas, etc. Minorities get so many advantages over white people. And it won't be long until white people are a minority in the US. Will we be allowed to have parades once we're the minority?

 

http://www.suite101.com/content/matthew-shepard-murdered-for-being-gay-a98581

http://www.365gay.com/video/texas-sailor-murdered-for-being-gay/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a26_1223127748&comments=1 (Woman murdered for being black)

 

Yep, straight white males have it so tough.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article662940.ece

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-415327/Life-gang-members-killed-teenager-just-white.html

http://cofcc.org/2008/07/man-killed-for-being-white-in-hawaii/

Yep, I can find random articles online too.

You know there is such a thing as racism towards white people too.



sapphi_snake on 07 August 2011
mantlepiecek said:
sapphi_snake said:

@mantlepiecek:

Helping the homeless is a social issue that is tackled by issuing funds. Its not tackled by taking away homes from the one's that have shelter.

And the relevance to this conversation is?

One thing you have to understand is that not all heterosexuals are oppressors.

As a group, heterosexuals are oppressors.

So making laws/privileges that only benefit one section of the society and not allowing the other is pretty discriminatory. Even if they are the minority.

It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?).

Bolded proves you know nothing about individuality.

 

"It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?)."

There's no purpose of these laws. Celebrating "Gay pride parade" and "Straight pride parade" is one and the same. I consider them both meaningless. But if one is ok, the other should be ok too. As far as affirmative action is concerned, then its even more discriminatory against innocent people who may have never discriminated against the gays/blacks/etc.

Your comment regarding the bolded part shows you have no ideea how society works.

Celebrating "Gay pride parade" and "Straight pride parade" is one and the same.

No, it's really not 'one and the same'. Homosexuals celebrate gay pride as a counter reaction to the degradation of their sexual identity due to their persecution by heterosexuals. It's a counter reaction to the whole 'being gay is evil', 'being gay is a sin', 'being gay is a mental disease' etc. rhetoric that's been circulating for centuries. Please tell me exactly why heterosexuals would have to celebrate 'straight pride', when heterosexuality has been celebrated and elogiated for millennia. It's even presented as the only 'normal' way to be, and they even went on to persecute anyone who wasn't like them. Celebrating 'straight pride' is as laughable as holding a charity event to raise money for the rich and famous.

As far as affirmative action is concerned, then its even more discriminatory against innocent people who may have never discriminated against the gays/blacks/etc.

I don't think the purpose of affrimative action is to 'get back' at the racists.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

mantlepiecek on 07 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
mantlepiecek said:
sapphi_snake said:

@mantlepiecek:

Helping the homeless is a social issue that is tackled by issuing funds. Its not tackled by taking away homes from the one's that have shelter.

And the relevance to this conversation is?

One thing you have to understand is that not all heterosexuals are oppressors.

As a group, heterosexuals are oppressors.

So making laws/privileges that only benefit one section of the society and not allowing the other is pretty discriminatory. Even if they are the minority.

It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?).

Bolded proves you know nothing about individuality.

 

"It's clear you fall in the category of people that doesn't understand the purpose of those laws (I assume you're talking of hate crime laws, no?)."

There's no purpose of these laws. Celebrating "Gay pride parade" and "Straight pride parade" is one and the same. I consider them both meaningless. But if one is ok, the other should be ok too. As far as affirmative action is concerned, then its even more discriminatory against innocent people who may have never discriminated against the gays/blacks/etc.

Your comment regarding the bolded part shows you have no ideea how society works.

Celebrating "Gay pride parade" and "Straight pride parade" is one and the same.

No, it's really not 'one and the same'. Homosexuals celebrate gay pride as a counter reaction to the degradation of their sexual identity due to their persecution by heterosexuals. It's a counter reaction to the whole 'being gay is evil', 'being gay is a sin', 'being gay is a mental disease' etc. rhetoric that's been circulating for centuries. Please tell me exactly why heterosexuals would have to celebrate 'straight pride', when heterosexuality has been celebrated and elogiated for millennia. It's even presented as the only 'normal' way to be, and they even went on to persecute anyone who wasn't like them. Celebrating 'straight pride' is as laughable as holding a charity event to raise money for the rich and famous.

As far as affirmative action is concerned, then its even more discriminatory against innocent people who may have never discriminated against the gays/blacks/etc.

I don't think the purpose of affrimative action is to 'get back' at the racists.

"I don't think the purpose of affrimative action is to 'get back' at the racists."

Doesn't have to be. It can still be discriminatory. And all affirmative action does is consider minorities as weak and requiring of aid. What can actually happen if they weren't given any aid in education and jobs? They would have to work for it that's all. Something that normal people do.

"No, it's really not 'one and the same'. Homosexuals celebrate gay pride as a counter reaction to the degradation of their sexual identity due to their persecution by heterosexuals."

And? So because heterosexuality was celebrated it shouldn't be celebrated anymore? And are you saying that gays celebrate their sexuality only to insult/demean those who are not gays?

"Celebrating 'straight pride' is as laughable as holding a charity event to raise money for the rich and famous."

There really is no relation between celebration and charity. Charity is done when someone is in need; celebration is done in moment of happiness. I can be happy about being straight and celebrate it. I would say it would be pretty discriminatory if someone thought I have some ulterior motives just because I am straight.



Triwells on 07 August 2011

I was fine with it until I read: "a protest against the privileges the gay community enjoys."