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Nobody has answered a question I have:

What percentage of the total of each in terms of marketshare (for movie formats, e.g. VHS, DVD, HD whatever, VCD, online)?

As far as I'm concerned, there must be a current "numero uno" - that would be DVD (I think!).

Unless Blu-Ray or HD-DVD surpasses DVDs and takes the number one spot in marketshare, the only leader in this war so far is still DVD.

Any other arguments ("Blu-Ray/HD-DVD overtakes HD-DVD/Blu-Ray") is like comparing a grain of sand to a larger grain of sand while DVD represents the entire beach.



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your mother said:

Nobody has answered a question I have:

What percentage of the total of each in terms of marketshare (for movie formats, e.g. VHS, DVD, HD whatever, VCD, online)?

As far as I'm concerned, there must be a current "numero uno" - that would be DVD (I think!).

Unless Blu-Ray or HD-DVD surpasses DVDs and takes the number one spot in marketshare, the only leader in this war so far is still DVD.

Any other arguments ("Blu-Ray/HD-DVD overtakes HD-DVD/Blu-Ray") is like comparing a grain of sand to a larger grain of sand while DVD represents the entire beach.


 In other words, the fat lady isn't even on the stage, while the hype machine (from company marketing, and fanboy rantings) is trying to claim she's right there singing.



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right now is like ps2+wii (the dvd) vs 360 and ps3 (the hd formats)



tendogz said:
right now is like ps2+wii (the dvd) vs 360 and ps3 (the hd formats)

Except that within the next 2 years, PS2 games will vanish, not DVD.

 As some said, it's a matter of time, but IMO, before the HD-DVD/BR can take over DVD, the HD-VOD will be THE big thing.



ChichiriMuyo said:

Chunk, do you realize people were saying the exact same thing about DVDs 8 years ago? Yet you'd actually have to go out of your way to find a large selection of VHS anywhere these days. Just like 8-9 years ago you'd have to go through the same troubles if you were a DVD fan.

In a couple of years, the prices on both BR players and BR discs will drop into your range. Right now they are in the range of early adopters who like technology for technology's sake.


 yeah, but the difference between a DVD and VHS is much, much, much bigger than the difference between a BD and a DVD.  in 2-3 years i'm hoping i don't need a stack of disc-like media, period.  either harddrive or online delivery is what i want, and BD would be a true luxury when i absolutely dig the high-def.  yeah, some people would want high-def 24/7, but that would be a niche market.

all it takes is an innovative product like the iPod.  except in this case, these days seems like every major company is converging onto online delivery... apple, sony, microsoft, even google, would you believe it.   (and netflix, whose survival depends on whether they can make the transformation. )



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From the article:

giving the nod to HD DVD as having the superior picture

IMO a strange conclusion from a technical perspective, the codecs are the same, the main differences are Blu-Ray discs being able to store more data per layer, a mandatory scratch resistanct coating and a higher possible bitrate for Blu-Ray movies...



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PS3 vs 360 sales

LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:
HappySqurriel said:
steverhcp02 said:
wow, thats the worst piece of FUD ive ever read, ever. If you know anything about HD DVD and BD you know that thsi blog right here is a heaping pile of FUD.

Yes and no. Although it isn't the best source of information, if you check out eproduct wars ( http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ ) you will notice that HD-DVD has been creeping its way back towards the top for the past couple of months.


oh, no i realize that, dont get me wrong. With childrenof men, happy feet, matrix presales, smokin aces, HD DVD has been getting its feet under itsealf, but its just not walking or moving fast enough to keep pace with the growing PS3 userbase who will keep buying those BD's when they get the PS3's.

This spike merely proves that HD DVD is fighting a losing battle against the slowly growing install base of PS3 users....even if only 10% of people use their PS3's for playback, 300,000 a month mean 30,000 new BD buyers who may go back and buy previous titles as well as new releases.....this growing (while small obviously) userbase is trumping HD DVD's stand alone players and disk sales, HD DVD just isnt growing its userbase fast enough so we will continue to see a few titles sell well that everyone wants and then drop like a rock while BD will be more sustained as its userbase grows, it hink that much is about as close to proven as anything.

So, IMO, it will come down to this, HD DVD has an advantage in price in a awar of atrition, they can last longer and not take huge huts financially but Sony has so much invested that i think theyll be able to take a massive hit to see this through and the way they can win is if they can prove the growing userbase and prolonged sales of titles.....companies wil take notice....but regardless of what happens, its going to be slow unless we see studio support shift one way or the other.


At least post some links to back up your claims. And don't tell me the facts are obvious. They aren't, and they keep changing.


dude, why are you so hostile, i stated many times throughout my post its in my opinion, so now i need to cite sources for my opinion?

K, www.myownbrain.org/cranium theres my link to my opinions.

And here is the massive thread of people who contributed to the spike

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991

Now, look at nielson numbers, and sales trends so far, this is what im basing my opinions on im not going to try to justify my interperatation of easily accessible data to justify my opinions to you, who obviously has some sort of motive against all things sony and all people whom own a PS3 and have chosen to support Blu Ray....

just save it, youve obviously shown you havent even followed HD DVD or BD at all yet feel qualified to demand links and information from people who have.....do some research vefore you start playing devils advocate because its people like you that read this guys blog and believe the sales spike is due to wonderful titles and crap liek that....then turn aroundand misinform people by trying to talk like you know ANYTHING about HD DVD and Blu Ray when you havent the slightest idea of sales trends, or anything regarding the two formats.....you only know Sony created BD so you hate it, and you know nothing else which is evident by your participation and lack of contribution to this thread other than to hit the quote button on my post and try to grill me on something you know nothing about. Thanks.



superchunk said:
Who f'ing cares. Both are huge ripoffs compared to a decent quality upconverting DVD player with an HDTV. Let's see a nice Panasonic upconverting 5disk dvd for $90 that looks really, really good in 1080 or a $600 BD/HDDVD player that is not really much better. PLUS at least $10 more for the actual movie. BS, the whole damn thing is a ripoff right now. Don't be sheep. I won't buy either until they come in a common player for sub $250. Even then, I probably won't buy any movies for more than $20.

 just because people choose to spend their money on something you dont agree with doesnt make them sheep, chief.



your mother said:

Nobody has answered a question I have:

What percentage of the total of each in terms of marketshare (for movie formats, e.g. VHS, DVD, HD whatever, VCD, online)?

As far as I'm concerned, there must be a current "numero uno" - that would be DVD (I think!).

Unless Blu-Ray or HD-DVD surpasses DVDs and takes the number one spot in marketshare, the only leader in this war so far is still DVD.

Any other arguments ("Blu-Ray/HD-DVD overtakes HD-DVD/Blu-Ray") is like comparing a grain of sand to a larger grain of sand while DVD represents the entire beach.


 Yes the DVD's have a current market lead. But it is assumed that these HD/BLU sales are in line with the market integration of HD TV's. So sooner or later the question about DVD's will be how long will it be the main format when most houses are able to have an HDTV?

B'sides I have watched upscaled DVD's and HD-DVD and Blu ray's. There isn't even a question that the difference is noticble between dvd's and the next gen formats. 



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The thing is that most HD releases  aren't selling that well right now. Even Sony admits that below the top sellers, blu-ray and HD-DVD releases sell only a couple thousand copies. That shows that if people don't care about the movie, they'll just go with DVD.

 This tells me that content is far more important than visual quality or total capacity. Once we get content that DVD doesn't have (even if it's capable of it), then the transition will truly start. After all, VHS couldn't give us menus or viewing customization, and special features had to be accessed sequentially. Right now, there is very little blu-ray and HD-DVD offer that DVD can't, even if the picture is clearer. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs