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Do you approve your president/prime minister?

Yes 36 23.08%
 
No 103 66.03%
 
Not sure 14 8.97%
 
Total:153

My Prime Minister is David Cameron, so no, not really.

He lives his life in absolute terror of the left wing media and British voters, neither of whom are the slightest bit threatening. The moment anybody voices opposition to anything he says, he leaps backwards and cancels all of his plans.

I have no doubt that he is a better Prime Minister than Miliband (socialist moron with no policies) or Clegg (opportunist, again with no real policies other than "do what people like at the moment" would, but there are far better choices within the Conservative party itself.

Speaking of opposition, whenever the Opposition brings up a problem, he sticks his fingers in his ears and says "YEAH BUT LABOUR HAD 13 YEARS TO FIX THAT" and occasionally lists meaningless achievements like reduced red tape and "improved competition".

I get the impression that Cameron is a very intelligent man who knows what this country needs. That becomes clear when you hear him speak to his own party. The trouble is, he seems to think something is wrong with economic liberalism (fiscal conservatism). He refuses to take a strong line against benefit cheats. He speaks of the NHS as this heavenly service that can do no wrong. If he would just realise that the reason he didn't win a majority isn't that traditional Tory policies are unpopular, but because Labour have spend decades trying to convince people of that, and tried to explain why his actions don't amount to fascism, then he would be one of the best Prime Ministers this country has had for a long time.




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Machina said:

UK, David Cameron.

Not especially, but at least he's better than the previous guy who was clearly psychotic, and his cabinet on the whole is more competent. But then that's not saying much...

It's been so long since we had a leader with balls, who puts his/her own country first, rather than the EU, or the third world, or foreign courts, or criminals... the list of issues where the government is on the wrong side of the divide is getting pretty lengthy, but then, Labour would only be worse, so yeah... If only we could bring back Mrs T >sigh<

The ironic thing is, the last leader with balls that we had is the only leader we've had who didn't actually have balls



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Just want to express my full support for Anders Breivik's ideology.His actions i don't support but makes you wonder would this left-wing european islamophiles notice his and many others stand on plague of our time-islam.His manifesto is absolute must-read,and should be introduced in western schools all over Europe.You,US are still safe from this plague because you import more christians anually then muslims but I would be very weary.THE SINGLE GOAL of every muslim is to work and do everythink in their power to cretate world caliphate and they will not stop until they do it.Their main weapon is not atomic bomb or something like that;it is their women's womb.So Anders attack on his fellow Norwegians is message to Europe on this muslim invasion they orchestrated.

Regardind my politicians,I am from Bosnia and just to say it is very complicated.We have three ethnic groups,2 religions and two states within the state.One is Muslim-Croat (Catholics) federation and other is Serb (Orthodox) entity.Everybody has their own politicians so country as o whole has very fragile institutions and goverment.If you wanna preserve at least some of your sanity you don't want to get to much into politics here.And if you like percentage it is something obout 50 +% for Bosniaks,30% something for Serbs and around 10% for Croats.We don't really know because we didn't have census since 1991.



This thread contains some of the strangest posts I've ever read on this site.

OT: I'd never vote for Merkel or her party, but at least she's way more bearable than Kohl.



I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

This sort of thinking needs to be stamped out very quickly, and should really not be tolerated.

And the only reason Kosovo isn't a completely legitimate independent nation by now is because of Russia being obstructionist in the UN (and also Spain and Greece who are worried about the Basque and the Macedonians). Kosovo is de-facto independent, and there is nothing wrong with recognizing the travel visas of an effectively independent polity, just like how most nations will at least recognize the rights of Taiwanese to wander around internationally with legal documents issued from Taipei. China keeps Taiwan out from recognition, Russia bars Kosovo, but Kosovo's already independent, and short of any action that Serbia knows they shouldn't do again (or they'll just have their infrastructure punitively destroyed again), Kosovo's not coming back



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HappySqurriel said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
osamanobama said:
wow, i am glad that views like sapphi snake are in the tiny extreme left minority (though they are growing, which is very very scary). if these views were more wide spread we would probably have another holocaust.

Don't exaggerate. I don't think he intends to exterminate the jewish people.

Also, Hitler was extreme right wing, so your logic is fataly flawed. So was the terrorist in Norway. Any ideology taken to the extreme can end up with a wacko killing hundreds.

Hitler was certainly not a right wing conservative ...

Fascism is a movement based in extreme nationalism and patriotism where the individuals role is to serve the state. Here is a direct quote from Hitler:

"What matters is to emphasize the fundamental idea in my party's economic program clearly -- the idea of authority. I want the authority; I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself according to the priniciple: benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual. But the state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property."

Direct points from the policy manifesto or the Nazi's:

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

 

Fascism was sold as a third way between communism and capitalism, but at its core it only adopts enough capitalism to make it a more effective economy for waging war. The best approximation for what an ideal fascist economy would look like would be to look at state-run capitalism in China, which allows for far more economic and personal freedom than Nazi Germany ever did.

Ok. I concede your point that nazism is too complex a movement to categorize it as strictly right wing.

Let's then say Italy's Mussolini or Spain's Franco, or indeed many extreme right wing government that have killed many people.

Regardless, it's not the extreme left that caused the Holocaust. I'm not defending extreme left either, I don't have any sympathy for Stalin, they have done things as terrible or more. But I don't think sapphi's comments are extreme left or that he would in any way support the holocaust. That's a very bold statement to make with no facts.

As I said, any ideology taken to the extreme is dangerous, that's all I'm saying.



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starcraft said:

I firmly disagree with nia-strain's views.

But it is just this sort of intolerance of discussion and opinion from the liberal media (who ironically are meant to be most in favour of tolerance of expression) that has led to right wing groups feeling marginalized, the first stage in the emergence of people like Anders Behrin Breivik.

What liberal media? The several media outlets worldwide owned by Rupert Murdoch? Also, you should realize that not every view is logical and worth considering.



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osamanobama said:
wow, i am glad that views like sapphi snake are in the tiny extreme left minority (though they are growing, which is very very scary). if these views were more wide spread we would probably have another holocaust.

Yes, your comment makes so much sense. That is, if you ignore the part that I am not extreme left, and the fact that I'm not the one blaming all of society's troubles on a fabricated enemy and saying that something 'needs to be done' regarding that group (typical rhetoric present in the holocaust).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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Eternal said:

Just want to express my full support for Anders Breivik's ideology.His actions i don't support but makes you wonder would this left-wing european islamophiles notice his and many others stand on plague of our time-islam.His manifesto is absolute must-read,and should be introduced in western schools all over Europe.You,US are still safe from this plague because you import more christians anually then muslims but I would be very weary.THE SINGLE GOAL of every muslim is to work and do everythink in their power to cretate world caliphate and they will not stop until they do it.Their main weapon is not atomic bomb or something like that;it is their women's womb.So Anders attack on his fellow Norwegians is message to Europe on this muslim invasion they orchestrated.

See, this is a perfect example of dangerous right wing rhetoric. It's illogical, paranoid, filled with absurd generalisations (see part in italics). And it's no different than the anti-jew rhetoric present in Nazi Germany.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
starcraft said:

I firmly disagree with nia-strain's views.

But it is just this sort of intolerance of discussion and opinion from the liberal media (who ironically are meant to be most in favour of tolerance of expression) that has led to right wing groups feeling marginalized, the first stage in the emergence of people like Anders Behrin Breivik.

What liberal media? The several media outlets worldwide owned by Rupert Murdoch? Also, you should realize that not every view is logical and worth considering.

Liberal media is far more prominent than the likes of Murdoch's empire, it just isn't nearly as demonized.

I don't like the idea of restricting immigration for non-economic means personally, but there is all sorts of scientific study of social harmonization (and otherwise) and its impact on crime, economic growth, happiness etc.  To discount the views of these people is ridiculous, and totally contrary to notions of freedom of speech.

You've clearly not gathered what it is to really be left wing, and that is tolerance.



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