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Mr Khan said:
I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

This sort of thinking needs to be stamped out very quickly, and should really not be tolerated.

Remember that I predicted a few days ago in this other thread that people will soon start to claim that they don't support the mass murderer's actions but his thoughts? You didn't seem to believe me but to be honest though it wasn't very hard to predict. Unfortunately his name will be remembered and his pamphlet supported for a long time. This is exactly what he planned.



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starcraft said:
sapphi_snake said:
starcraft said:

I firmly disagree with nia-strain's views.

But it is just this sort of intolerance of discussion and opinion from the liberal media (who ironically are meant to be most in favour of tolerance of expression) that has led to right wing groups feeling marginalized, the first stage in the emergence of people like Anders Behrin Breivik.

What liberal media? The several media outlets worldwide owned by Rupert Murdoch? Also, you should realize that not every view is logical and worth considering.

Liberal media is far more prominent than the likes of Murdoch's empire, it just isn't nearly as demonized.

I don't like the idea of restricting immigration for non-economic means personally, but there is all sorts of scientific study of social harmonization (and otherwise) and its impact on crime, economic growth, happiness etc.  To discount the views of these people is ridiculous, and totally contrary to notions of freedom of speech.

You've clearly not gathered what it is to really be left wing, and that is tolerance.

There's a difference between declaring a bad idea to be what it is and wishing for it to be discouraged and wishing for it to be outlawed in a way that would violate our human right to free expression.

We must tolerate other ideas to the extent that we cannot outlaw them, but we can certainly do everything in our power to marginalize them



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starcraft said:

Liberal media is far more prominent than the likes of Murdoch's empire, it just isn't nearly as demonized.

I don't like the idea of restricting immigration for non-economic means personally, but there is all sorts of scientific study of social harmonization (and otherwise) and its impact on crime, economic growth, happiness etc.  To discount the views of these people is ridiculous, and totally contrary to notions of freedom of speech.

You've clearly not gathered what it is to really be left wing, and that is tolerance.

Regarding the part in italics, that's not really possible in the modern world. You can't isolate yourself and live in a little bubble. Not to mention that it's precisely contact with different cultures that leads to actual progress as opposed to stagnation (isolated cultures have always lagged behind cultures that interact and mix with others).

Conservative media is far more proemintn than you think. And as I said, not every position regarding an issue is logical and worth noting. Take for example this view, expressed by a poster in this very topic: THE SINGLE GOAL of every muslim is to work and do everythink in their power to cretate world caliphate and they will not stop until they do it. Now, such a view is not only false, but extremely dangerous. A responsible media outlet, if presenting this view on behalf of someone, shouldn't leave it at that, but present arguments disproving it, else easily manipulated masses will view it as a fact (which is actually the purpose of conservative media outlets, and their fear mongering campaigns). If there's one thing that shouldn't be tolerated, it's ideologies that inherently promote intolerance.



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okr said:
Mr Khan said:
I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

This sort of thinking needs to be stamped out very quickly, and should really not be tolerated.

Remember that I predicted a few days ago in this other thread that people will soon start to claim that they don't support the mass murderer's actions but his thoughts? You didn't seem to believe me but to be honest though it wasn't very hard to predict. Unfortunately his name will be remembered and his pamphlet supported for a long time. This is exactly what he planned.

I underestimated people's capacity to tolerate atrocities so long as those atrocities were committed by someone they agree with

I shouldn't be shocked, but i kind of am. You were totally right, as i do remember that post



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okr said:
Mr Khan said:
I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

This sort of thinking needs to be stamped out very quickly, and should really not be tolerated.

Remember that I predicted a few days ago in this other thread that people will soon start to claim that they don't support the mass murderer's actions but his thoughts? You didn't seem to believe me but to be honest though it wasn't very hard to predict. Unfortunately his name will be remembered and his pamphlet supported for a long time. This is exactly what he planned.

Thing is, most people I've met who supported his views, but disagreed with his actions are really just upset he attacked 'white' kids.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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Mr Khan said:
I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

I cannot believe you naivety. Do you think he's that unique of a person?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
starcraft said:

Liberal media is far more prominent than the likes of Murdoch's empire, it just isn't nearly as demonized.

I don't like the idea of restricting immigration for non-economic means personally, but there is all sorts of scientific study of social harmonization (and otherwise) and its impact on crime, economic growth, happiness etc.  To discount the views of these people is ridiculous, and totally contrary to notions of freedom of speech.

You've clearly not gathered what it is to really be left wing, and that is tolerance.

Regarding the part in italics, that's not really possible in the modern world. You can't isolate yourself and live in a little bubble. Not to mention that it's precisely contact with different cultures that leads to actual progress as opposed to stagnation (isolated cultures have always lagged behind cultures that interact and mix with others).

Conservative media is far more proemintn than you think. And as I said, not every position regarding an issue is logical and worth noting. Take for example this view, expressed by a poster in this very topic: THE SINGLE GOAL of every muslim is to work and do everythink in their power to cretate world caliphate and they will not stop until they do it. Now, such a view is not only false, but extremely dangerous. A responsible media outlet, if presenting this view on behalf of someone, shouldn't leave it at that, but present arguments disproving it, else easily manipulated masses will view it as a fact (which is actually the purpose of conservative media outlets, and their fear mongering campaigns). If there's one thing that shouldn't be tolerated, it's ideologies that inherently promote intolerance.

The existence of a successful and racially homogenous Japan largely refutes your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, I agree that that view is entirely false.  But it is also inaccurate to suggest that the liberal media is any less prominant than the conservative media.  In fact, I believe most reasonable estimates indicate far more major networks and print medias are left biased than right biased.  By definition, marginalizing peoples views because one does not like them is intolerance.

The example you listed is an issue of incorrect facts, the examples I am referring to, namely immigration and the role it should play in society, are plagued by pros and cons, and are entirely subjective.  Marginalizing them, as liberal media and politics often does, is most certainly a display of intolerance.



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Mr Khan said:
I cannot believe people actually exist who are in any way seriously supporting Anders Breivik.

This sort of thinking needs to be stamped out very quickly, and should really not be tolerated.

And the only reason Kosovo isn't a completely legitimate independent nation by now is because of Russia being obstructionist in the UN (and also Spain and Greece who are worried about the Basque and the Macedonians). Kosovo is de-facto independent, and there is nothing wrong with recognizing the travel visas of an effectively independent polity, just like how most nations will at least recognize the rights of Taiwanese to wander around internationally with legal documents issued from Taipei. China keeps Taiwan out from recognition, Russia bars Kosovo, but Kosovo's already independent, and short of any action that Serbia knows they shouldn't do again (or they'll just have their infrastructure punitively destroyed again), Kosovo's not coming back

There is no single reason that a region eternally part of the Serbian dominion should become independent.

NATO are warmongering runts no better than any common terrorist, the same as them in the core - with a different ideology (too much skirmishes prove that). If only Russia were more powerful, Kosovo would never see independence.



starcraft said:

The existence of a successful and racially homogenous Japan largely refutes your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, I agree that that view is entirely false.  But it is also inaccurate to suggest that the liberal media is any less prominant than the conservative media.  In fact, I believe most reasonable estimates indicate far more major networks and print medias are left biased than right biased.  By definition, marginalizing peoples views because one does not like them is intolerance.

The example you listed is an issue of incorrect facts, the examples I am referring to, namely immigration and the role it should play in society, are plagued by pros and cons, and are entirely subjective.  Marginalizing them, as liberal media and politics often does, is most certainly a display of intolerance.

See, Japan is actually an example of the opposite of what you claim. The country had an isolationist policy 'till the mid 19th century, when the US forced Japan to open itself to the Western world. The country went from an archaic one to a modern and powerful economical force. The influence of outside cultures has had a bigger importance for Japan's success as they'd like to admit, especially with the growing nationalistic sentiments over there. It's also important to note that even traditional Japanese culture wouldn't even exist if it weren't for their contact with China.

Regarding the part in italics, subjectivity has no place in the immigration debate. Also, as I said, not tolerating intolerance is not wrong. The views that you say aren't tolerated and marginalized are so because they're irrational.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Listen,I live with muslims,most of you don't.So,I know them and altough muslims in Bosnia are far more liberal than most muslims in the world,they are still muslims.So,when i say something about them,that is a result of long-time research and commitment to understanding them.

Like,how blind you must be and not realise what's going on in Europe?! It is silent invasion,my brothers.Silent invasion.Your grandchildren or grandgrandchildren will wake up in muslim UK,muslim Germany,Canada and what not.If you think I am over exaggerating,you should bloody wake up and see percentages and see what is most common name in UK these days.

But maybe,you welcome muslim Europe,that is perfectly OK.Just expect sharia in your life and expect to be street cleaners like christians in Egypt.And you would find more similarity to your nowadays life on Mars then in Islam-controlled country.