Do you approve your president/prime minister?

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HappySqurriel said:

Troll_Whisperer said:

osamanobama said:
wow, i am glad that views like sapphi snake are in the tiny extreme left minority (though they are growing, which is very very scary). if these views were more wide spread we would probably have another holocaust.

Don't exaggerate. I don't think he intends to exterminate the jewish people.

Also, Hitler was extreme right wing, so your logic is fataly flawed. So was the terrorist in Norway. Any ideology taken to the extreme can end up with a wacko killing hundreds.

Hitler was certainly not a right wing conservative ...

Fascism is a movement based in extreme nationalism and patriotism where the individuals role is to serve the state. Here is a direct quote from Hitler:

"What matters is to emphasize the fundamental idea in my party's economic program clearly -- the idea of authority. I want the authority; I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself according to the priniciple: benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual. But the state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property."

Direct points from the policy manifesto or the Nazi's:

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

 

Fascism was sold as a third way between communism and capitalism, but at its core it only adopts enough capitalism to make it a more effective economy for waging war. The best approximation for what an ideal fascist economy would look like would be to look at state-run capitalism in China, which allows for far more economic and personal freedom than Nazi Germany ever did.

Ok. I concede your point that nazism is too complex a movement to categorize it as strictly right wing.

Let's then say Italy's Mussolini or Spain's Franco, or indeed many extreme right wing government that have killed many people.

Regardless, it's not the extreme left that caused the Holocaust. I'm not defending extreme left either, I don't have any sympathy for Stalin, they have done things as terrible or more. But I don't think sapphi's comments are extreme left or that he would in any way support the holocaust. That's a very bold statement to make with no facts.

As I said, any ideology taken to the extreme is dangerous, that's all I'm saying.