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richardhutnik on 22 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
superchunk said:

Ok, I get what you're saying and do agree. I do admit that had Nintendo put out IPs that were similar to AC, Batman, etc, then yes I would of been satisfied and probably not bought a PS3. This is very true. Afterall there really only exists one company that I will always buy and that is Nintendo. The others I buy out of lack of a Nintendo game that fits that need.

Nintendo currently does not have first party IPs that fit AC and Batman's roles... however, I am glad I got to play them as well as Uncharted as they were all good games and I do hope WiiU gets these third parties along with thier fantastic first party so I simply have more choice for my definite purchase.

You can hope for that to happen, but the only real thing that the Wii U will have over the Gamecube is that development costs have risen dramatically since the sixth generation, so third parties might not withdraw support due to sheer necessity of putting their games on as many platforms as possible.

The Wii U is a big gamble on Nintendo's part, because they are willing to sacrifice the entire Wii audience for some minor gains (the Wii audience does not need a new console to realize the games they want and after all, the Wii U will use exactly the same Wii Remote Pluses which basically means that people have to buy a new console solely because Nintendo feels like it). Nintendo could win, but the odds are against them. If they lose, then they will lose big time.





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richardhutnik on 22 July 2011
Crazymann said:
richardhutnik said:
Crazymann said:
Ha ha, disruption again... but not necessarily in a good way. What does this mean? Well, either the tech will be more immature and expensive than intended due to the accelerated release, or it will be watered down. Shame on MS and Sony they should have held their ground.*

* And anyone who does NOT think that Sony will accelerate the release of PS4 due to Nintendo and MS jumping in (haha) is delusional.

I await the revised version of Microsoft's next controller to contain a touch screen.  Actually, support multiple controllers with touch screens... complete with Angry Birds built in via a moneyhatting deal.


That would be so sweet! 

MS:  "One ticket for passage through the Isthmus of Success to the Blue Ocean, please."

Boatman:  "That'll be one large moneyhat, Mr. Gates."

MS:  "Done!"

 

I have visions of Bill Gates hearing about this Blue Ocean thing, and Bill then saying he wants it as an exclusive to their own console, and he would be willing to spend anything to get it.



Ail on 22 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
superchunk said:

Ok, I get what you're saying and do agree. I do admit that had Nintendo put out IPs that were similar to AC, Batman, etc, then yes I would of been satisfied and probably not bought a PS3. This is very true. Afterall there really only exists one company that I will always buy and that is Nintendo. The others I buy out of lack of a Nintendo game that fits that need.

Nintendo currently does not have first party IPs that fit AC and Batman's roles... however, I am glad I got to play them as well as Uncharted as they were all good games and I do hope WiiU gets these third parties along with thier fantastic first party so I simply have more choice for my definite purchase.

You can hope for that to happen, but the only real thing that the Wii U will have over the Gamecube is that development costs have risen dramatically since the sixth generation, so third parties might not withdraw support due to sheer necessity of putting their games on as many platforms as possible.

The Wii U is a big gamble on Nintendo's part, because they are willing to sacrifice the entire Wii audience for some minor gains (the Wii audience does not need a new console to realize the games they want and after all, the Wii U will use exactly the same Wii Remote Pluses which basically means that people have to buy a new console solely because Nintendo feels like it). Nintendo could win, but the odds are against them. If they lose, then they will lose big time.


That's assuming that the new audience Nintendo gained with the Wii is still on the Wii.

 

The reality is that a huge part of that casual audience has already moved on to other forms of gaming as there have been at least 2 new gaming explosions since the Wii( facebook games and now mobile games witn Angry birds).

 

Go check on your family and friends that were not traditional gamers and that purchase the Wii. How many of them still use it on a regular basis ?



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PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

homer on 22 July 2011
LivingMetal said:
homer said:
LivingMetal said:
homer said:
LivingMetal said:
homer said:
LivingMetal said:
homer said:
LivingMetal said:
Microsoft need to start caring more about quality and its fanbase first and market share and the masses second.


I agree. MS should stop caring about being successful in the video game industry. How dare they wish for marketshare and wish to entertain the masses. They don't cater to me, so they are wrong and I am right...


Sony and Nintendo are by providing quality hardware and catering to their their base.  Aren't doing so well, aren't they?

lol. How is Nintendo catering to it's fanbase?

 

Mario, Metroid, Pokemon, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, etc...


I'm talking about this year where tbh, Nintendo has the worst lineup. :P

With the 360 I could just list all of their games too...


Oh...  You were talking about THIS year.  NooOoOow you say so.  Nintendo is still catering to their fanbase.  You questioned, I answered.  You can't deal with the answer, don't ask next time.


WTH did you think I meant? You mentioned sales and I assumed you meant this year's because this year, the 360 sales are subpar....


How Am I suppose to know what time frame you were referring to?  And you're the one who apparently assumed to being with.  And I honest do know know what context you are referring to in regards to you claiming I mentioned sales.  Besides, the Wii has been a runaway success over the Xbox 360 one reason is because they have catered to their base throughout this generation as I have mentioned.  I provided you with legit answers.  You're just providing excuses.  Go figure.

Could you please respond to the rest of my post or at least explain your original BS post?



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JGarret on 22 July 2011
padib said:
RolStoppable said:
superchunk said:

Wii was rampantly successful, you're right. However, it also failed at the same time.

I should not be forced to buy another console to play all the games I want. 3rd party AAA should be available on everyone's setup, simply because they want as much as possible as a return and if all consoles had enough of a simularity in base capabilities, that woudl have happened.

The only reason HD Twins userbase was equal and then grew larger to that of Wii wasn't because Wii stopped making simple games, but because they never gained the additional great 3rd party games.

People will by Nintendo for Nintendo and its uniqueness... they will come in massive waves for the right mass market game... aka Wii Sports, Wii Fit, NSMBWii, MKWii, etc.... however, Nintendo should strive to make sure they don't seek entertainmnet from its direct rivals as well. That means gaining those AAA 3rd party games. Again, I would never have bought a PS3 had Assassin's Creed, Batman, equal CoD, BFBC2, and others had been offered on Wii. I could have dealt with lower graphical output, so long as the game was essentially the same. However, 3rd parties didn't event attempt that as the cost it would take to make an engine to properly downscale the game wasn't worth it. Instead you got CoD like downgrades with big missing features on top of lower graphics.

WiiU hopefully will rectify that. It will be lower spec'd than the other two next gen hardware, but hopefully more like PS2 was. This way it can be a rampant success to the nth degree... not just a leader.

I wasn't talking about simple games. If you remember the NES, then you know that its games didn't stay the same over the course of its lifecycle. They started out simple with most games not even scrolling and at the end you had in comparison massive games that scrolled in all directions. Those games built on the foundation the earlier games established. This didn't happen on the Wii, but if it had happened you wouldn't have felt the need to get a PS3 for AC, Batman and others, because you would have already been playing a new Zelda, Kid Icarus, a proper Metroid and more.

I know you, man. If Nintendo offers adventurous games, then you will pick theirs and not third party ones that require you to buy additional hardware. This is where Nintendo really dropped the ball this generation. Instead of games that built on the foundation of the Wii spirit, they decided to release Gamecube era style games like Super Mario Galaxy 2 and MOM. And you know that the Gamecube and its games didn't exactly set the market on fire. What makes the problem worse is that these Gamecube-like games require longer development cycles with Zelda being the biggest culprit nowadays. So Nintendo did not only put out the wrong games, but less games in general.

Hypocritical much? So did they cater to the core or not? Were you pleased or not? Are you core, or not?

What he means is, Nintendo´s original 'core' are the people who prefer 2D Mario over 3D Mario and in general, don´t really like 'cinematic' games but love games that have 'arcade values'...which makes sense, since Nintendo´s success was built over 2D Mario and 'arcade' games..that´s the 'core' that was abandoned when the SNES was replaced by the N64, and that´s the 'core' Rol means.



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Crazymann on 22 July 2011
richardhutnik said:
Crazymann said:
richardhutnik said:
Crazymann said:
Ha ha, disruption again... but not necessarily in a good way. What does this mean? Well, either the tech will be more immature and expensive than intended due to the accelerated release, or it will be watered down. Shame on MS and Sony they should have held their ground.*

* And anyone who does NOT think that Sony will accelerate the release of PS4 due to Nintendo and MS jumping in (haha) is delusional.

I await the revised version of Microsoft's next controller to contain a touch screen.  Actually, support multiple controllers with touch screens... complete with Angry Birds built in via a moneyhatting deal.


That would be so sweet! 

MS:  "One ticket for passage through the Isthmus of Success to the Blue Ocean, please."

Boatman:  "That'll be one large moneyhat, Mr. Gates."

MS:  "Done!"

 

I have visions of Bill Gates hearing about this Blue Ocean thing, and Bill then saying he wants it as an exclusive to their own console, and he would be willing to spend anything to get it.

"Blue Ocean" coming exclusively to XBOX720 in 2013... followed quickly by "Blue Ocean 2:  The Quest for More Money" in 2014, "Blue Ocean 3:  Sony Must Die" in 2015 and "Blue Ocean: Reach" in 2016.



Vetteman94 on 22 July 2011

The more I think about this, the more I dont believe it will happen. I still see the NextBox releasing in 2014 along side the PS4, no need to rush it when MS is still doing great with the 360.



Roma on 22 July 2011
padib said:
Thanks for explaining. I don't agree with him anyways because Nintendo provided Super Mario Galaxy 2 and NSMBWii, so it went for two simultaneous audiences. MOM was developed by a sub-contractor so it doesn't matter that much and can't be considered dropping the ball, just more of something he didn't want. I don't see value in his description. For me, when I don't like a game or I think it'll be bad, I just don't buy it.

I think ultimately the problem in all this is that now we're just refering to Nintendo, but the 3rd parties play an important role there too. They can also make games with 'arcade value', some however needed to appeal to their main consumers and those were incidentally looking for cutting edge, something Nintendo didn't offer. I think Nintendo can offer that to them this time, and that's probably why Microsoft is taking the Wii-U seriously, and they're right to.

I'm gonna drop the "catering to the core" argument cause I feel like that was flame-bait set by trolling and isn't even relevant to the OP.

Underestimating your competition is the biggest mistake you can do which was shown with the Wii. I remember both Sony and MS not mentioning it as a competition even and look how that turned out.



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Alby_da_Wolf on 22 July 2011

If Sony too rushes its next console release and all of the three turn out to be crap, PC will rule again the gaming world as it deserves! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! [evil laugh] >}>



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Metallicube on 22 July 2011
wilco said:

Hope this doesn't cause the hardware problems we saw with the 360. Take your time ms, take your time.

I would imagine working on a console for 8 years would be enough to not make it prone to hardware issues, or at least less than a whopping 33% failure rate. But with MS, who knows..