Everyone who cares about halo or gears has a 360 already, and no I didn't forget it just doesn't matter, there's a reason kinect sales have been droping consistently it sucks people are starting to realize there aren't any good games for it, and from what I've seen there aren't going to be anytime soon, a price cut isn't going to change that, kinect is all MS has to drive sales and it's already running out of steam, and I know you forgot about the psmove, which sales are far more stable then kinects, Sony could cut the price of the move bundle and match it and again any equal price cut will favor the ps3 because it has more features and better games and is just a better piece of hardware

Haha you serious ?

Kinect is selling ~45k every week. Move around 15k.

Even if all people caring about Gears and Halo already have a 360, I asked you why you expect it to attract less consumers than the PS3 even though most of the games coming out for it this holiday are also sequels or games with a not as high selling potential as other blockbusters. There is no software at the moment that will drive hardware sales to unseen grounds.
But what you probably also didn't know. 80.000 people bought a 360 CoD:BO bundle last year (or was it MW2 in the year before ?). Anyway apparently not all people that are interested in CoD bought a console yet. Every big game makes an impact on hardware sales. Even if there are already games of the same series available on the same platform.

You forgot or just didn't know that the holidays are dominated by casual gamers. That is the reason why the Wii was still alive and why Kinect was such a huge success last year.

The other guy is talking about sales of combined hardware and self-published software of all systems while the not-other guys are as usual  talking about hardware of consoles and debate things like which console will be in what place for the year. VGC gospel choir: "The Wii, the Wii, it's all about the Wii and its dramatic decline (and let's not forget it's overtracked)".

- Combined console/handheld hardware: Nintendo still in the lead this year - Nintendo sold 11.9 million hardware units in the first half of 2011, Sony sold 9.3 million hardware units.
- Combined published software on console/handhelds: Nintendo still in the lead this year - actually already after six months 8 million ahead of EA, 18 million ahead of Activision, 21 million ahead of Sony, 26 million ahead of Microsoft.

Even though I was told that Nintendo hardware is overtracked and that software doesn't matter in these threads, I repeat:

Nothing has changed. Nintendo is still by far the most successful company this year.

I'm sorry if my view is controversial and I apologize for not following the unwritten VGC community law of only looking at yearly/monthly hardware numbers.

As l'm always open for compromises let's just conclude that the important VGC consensus opinions on last week's sales posted in this thread are "Wii price cut effect already wearing off", "Wii will be 3rd this year (and don't forget it's overtracked)" and "Kratos still rules".

Where are you getting your sales for move, it doesn't have a game bundled like kinect and everytime Sony releases numbers the gap between move and kinect is less, and like I keep saying ps3 has alot more good exclusives, people have been waiting for a ps3 price drop to buy it and play it all the 360 has is halo and gears, where there is over a dozen ps3 retail exclusives comming out this year alone, no one of them outsells gears or halo (due to no competition and massive amounts of advertising) but together it gives people alot more reasons to get a system not to mention blu ray thats why a price drop will favor ps3 and I think you forgot that despite kinects launch ps3 tied it in shipments last quater and kinect is going to be weaker not stronger this year and 360 has less games comming out and ps3 has more, so why do you think 360 will outsell ps3 this holiday when it didn't last and had several more things in it's favor last? 

Well since MS hasnt release Kinect sales numbers since it hit 10 million back in March of course Move sales releases are going to show Move catching up. What happens next week when MS reports thier 4th qtr/annual report and Kinect sales jump?  Also when was the last time Sony releases those Move sales numbers and what were they?  Both 360 and PS3 have exclusives this year, except 360 exclusives are written off because many of they support Kinect so they couldnt possibly cause a casual person to pick up a 360.    None of the big titles for ANY console will make a dramatic shift in console sales. Those days are over for this generation.  Sure maybe a special edition bundle may sell some extra maybe even 100,000 to the collector types, but that is nothing in the whole competion thing at this point.  Finally Blu-Ray players are just to cheap to push someone to a PS3 any more and they will be cheaper this holiday.

Where are you getting your sales for move, it doesn't have a game bundled like kinect and everytime Sony releases numbers the gap between move and kinect is less, and like I keep saying ps3 has alot more good exclusives, people have been waiting for a ps3 price drop to buy it and play it all the 360 has is halo and gears, where there is over a dozen ps3 retail exclusives comming out this year alone, no one of them outsells gears or halo (due to no competition and massive amounts of advertising) but together it gives people alot more reasons to get a system not to mention blu ray thats why a price drop will favor ps3 and I think you forgot that despite kinects launch ps3 tied it in shipments last quater and kinect is going to be weaker not stronger this year and 360 has less games comming out and ps3 has more, so why do you think 360 will outsell ps3 this holiday when it didn't last and had several more things in it's favor last? 

Quite simple. Move is bundled with Sports Champions in the US.

Sports Champions sells around 10-15k per week. 1k in EMEAA and even less in Japan. So 10k in the US. Coincidence ?

Now look at Kinect Sports. It has an attach ratio of over 30% and just like Sports Champions it's the primary game for the device.
Meaning that there are approx. 3k Move sets sold in EMEAA, 1.5k Move sets sold in Japan and let's say 8.5k Sports Champion bundles and another 4.5k stand alone move sets this week.

CAN'T be much more than that. Wouldn't make any sense (given our VGC numbers are right).

Sony is counting every single Move as a sale and not the set Move+PlaystationEye, which is the only thing that counts when we try to define what device is more popular. (it's not more popular when one person buys 2 Moves)

I never said that 360 will sell more than PS3 this holiday season. I'm just saying that it can hold up very well. For every exclusive that will come out for PS3 there will be one Kinect game and I'm saying it again: In the holiday season, casual is king.

Everyone who cares about halo or gears has a 360 already, and no I didn't forget it just doesn't matter, there's a reason kinect sales have been droping consistently it sucks people are starting to realize there aren't any good games for it, and from what I've seen there aren't going to be anytime soon, a price cut isn't going to change that, kinect is all MS has to drive sales and it's already running out of steam, and I know you forgot about the psmove, which sales are far more stable then kinects, Sony could cut the price of the move bundle and match it and again any equal price cut will favor the ps3 because it has more features and better games and is just a better piece of hardware

While I agree with your overall point, you missed the biggest factor.  An equal price cut will definitely go in the PS3's favor, but the main reason is because it will be the first time ever the PS3 has been offered for that price (most likely $249).  The 360 has already had a model priced at $199 for the longest time, so a $249 250GB 360 won't have the same impact as the newly reduced PS3.  It happened in '09, it will happen again.  MS would have to cut the 250GB 360 by ~$100 to get an equal or greater bump.

Of course, you are right when you mention features and games.  When you consider that HD TV's and Blu-ray are going to fair quite well during the holidays, it will only help the PS3 that it has a Blu-ray drive.  As far as games go, the biggest help WW for the PS3 is that it has more exclusive releases this year.  In Japan, it will actually be a multi-plat that helps it the most, in the form of FF13-2.  In the end, the PS3 is going to have a very nice holiday season.

And I know some may have faith that Kinect will pull the 360 through to be #1, but I doubt it.  One of the reasons Kinect did so well last year was that it was seen as the new "IT" gaming product to buy for the holiday season in America.  This year, Kinect won't be seen as such.  It probably will be replaced by the 3DS or PSV or both.  Unless, MS aggressively cuts the Kinect by ~$100, which I doubt they will, I don't see it having much of an impact this holiday.