I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll say it once more. How many Mario games have been made? And when I say Mario games I mean any game on a nintendo platform that features Mario. Many counter argue that there have only been a few MAIN Mario games, but still, if Sony were to make Kratos KART, Kratos party, Kratos 3d, Kratos football, Kratos pinball etc I would be really pissed. Kratos was a playable character in Soul Calibur: Broken destiny and Mortal Kombat. If he's also included in Tekken 7 etc I will not bother getting the game at all.
I absolutely loved Mario 15 years ago and Super Mario Bros 3 is one of my all time favourite games. But I absolutely hate the way they milked the franchise instead of creating new ips.
Now how exactly is this hypocricy?

This, exactly. End of thread.

Yea, but Kratos KART, Kratos party, Kratos 3d, Kratos football, Kratos pinball etc would all be different type of games. Just because Mario is in all these games doesn't mean they are all the same. Mario Kart and Mario Party are very diffent games. I would rather have Mario in a bunch of different games than to have to a ton of shooters that are the same with just different names.

You sound more like a hater then the ones who you are calling a hater. A lot of the core gamers are hating on COD and grand theft auto,... Gears of war and Uncharted  two franchises that probably end this gen (atleast on console games) you should have named other titles...

The biggest thing about these haters is they are the only ones doing it. I mean I never heard complaining from a real Nintendo fan such as myself. We don't hate we know whats right and what is right is to only like what Nintendo has to offer. That is not hating on other things, no, it is just having good taste, and I am sick of anybody who hates on Nintendo.

All I'm saying is that you can't call those who are tired of seeing new Mario games again and again hypocrites, because they don't think the same way you do. If COD fans were claiming that they hate how Sony milks Unchated you would have every right to blame them and call them hypocrites, because there are many COD games.

So your comparison is invalid. Btw, I don't like shooters at all, but that doesn't change the facts that they are not hypocrites, as they hate Nintendo not for the main Mario games, but for all the Mario games and the lack of effort to make another great (new) ip like Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.  Different type of games or not, I would absolutely hate it if Kratos, who is my favourite Sony character, was part of every big Sony release.

Yep, it's pure hypocrisy. Either you're bother by sequels or you aren't. And if you evaluate it on a case by case basis, you have to argue specifics and not just throwing "blanket statements". Moving "goal posts" to fit their arguments only make this hypocrisy more obvious, specially when they use "reasons" that are completely besides the main point or entirely subjective.

Given that the entire industry is constantly relying on sequels sales-wise, that many of these sequels are among the most acclaimed games of each year (by both gamers and the press) and that all big publishers have their own examples, I don't see why Nintendo is often singled out as being guilty of this practice. They certainly aren't the ones that release them more frequently, as they rarely release sequels on an annual basis like some do now.

In addition, and whether someone cares about them or not, Nintendo has created quite a few new IPs in the last gens, despite probably being the publisher that has the biggest number of successful ones. And saying things like "casual games don't count", "if it's not released in my country it doesn't count" or "if it's not popular it doesn't count" are clear examples of moving goal posts.

Here are some of them, through this gen:

On Wii and WiiWare: Wii Series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, FlingSmash, Endless Ocean, Captain Rainbow, And-Kensaku, ThruSpace, Rock N' Roll Climber, You Me and the Cubes, Eco Shooter: Plant 530, Line Attack Heroes, Snowpack Park, AquaSpace, MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade.

On DS and DSiWare: Soma Bringer, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Jam with the Band, Another Code/Trace Memory, Nintendogs, Osu ! Tatakae ! Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Jet Impulse, Chousoujou Mecha MG, Electroplankton, Meteos, Fossil Fighters, Hotel Dusk, Zekkyo Senshi Sakeburein, Style Savvy/Style Boutique, Metal Torrent, Reflect Missile/Trajectile, A Kappa's Trail.

And there's also Steel Diver on 3DS.

Furthermore, there's plenty of others that were created just last gen, around the same time as God of War or Halo for example, which are still considered "recent" by many. A few examples could be Pikmin, Bit Generations games (later becoming "Art Style" on Wii/DS), The Legendary Starfy, Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven/Paradise, Chibi-Robo !, Geist, Magical Vacation (prequel to Magical Starsign) and Drill Dozer. Eternal Darkness could also count as one but I'm not sure if Nintendo holds the rights to it.

Anyone that claims that Nintendo is just Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/etc is either an ignorant or a troll, no different than anyone that claims that 360 only has FPS games or that Sony only has Gran Turismo and God of War. We all have our preferences, but opinions are not facts, so why use them as such ? Like pretending that some games don't exist because you don't care about them...

By the way, as a side note, I also find it ridiculous that many of the self-proclaimed "hardcore" gamers that usually complain about Nintendo or dismiss it because of being "kiddy" or "casual" rarely live up to their own elitism. Like for example, not knowing about Fire Emblem, Sin and Punishment or any of the less popular IPs from Nintendo, not to mention other 3rd party ones.

But I'm not really saying anything new here anyway...

envy and frustration turned into hate LOOOOOL.....

Kratos was also included in Little Big Planet, ModNation Racers and Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds, which makes 5 cameo appearances so far...

But Kratos is not the best example to compare to Mario anyway, as its games are story-driven ones and it lacks the kind of appeal and versatility that Mario has. It's not a character capable of being a "mascot", just like Link isn't either.

On the other hand, Crash does fit the criteria and when Sony published its games we got Crash Team Racing. Also, Ape Escape is another franchise that could be used for these kind of spin-offs, which is exactly what Sony did with Ape Escape Racing, Ape Escape: Pumped and Primed, EyeToy: Monkey Mania and the Academy games, among other cameos. And there's also Jak and Daxter, which got a racing game called Jak X Combat Racing.

There's also plenty of 3rd party examples of course, like Mega Man (Soccer, Battle and Chase, Wily and Right no RockBoard), Pac-Man (Party, World Rally, Pinball Advance), Bomberman (Kart, Fantasy Race, Panic Bomber) or the many Sonic ones. Even characters from Square-Enix or SNK have their own examples (Itadaki Street, Chocobo Racing, Quiz King of Fighters, Days of Memories).

Do you see the hypocrisy now ?

Sure, you could still argue that Mario has appeared on much more games, but that could be easily explained by the fact that Mario is much more popular and was created many years before them. Still, many other publishers have already shown that they have no problem with using their characters on spin-offs or cameos like Nintendo does, so there's part of the hypocrisy. And you could also argue that Nintendo has done a great job with their spin-offs, with some becoming as popular and acclaimed as the main games, unlike most of the examples I mentioned above.

Don't we have a list of new ip's this gen somewhere so people can stop moving the goal post a bit?