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The way i see it, Sony's prime difference is that their western branch seems to be approaching first party development like a movie studio. They build a brand and if its hot, they put out more products in the short-run (i.e. the generation) but then put the brand aside in the long run, to possibly return or possibly not (see: Jak in Move Heroes), whereas you see their Japanese studios trying to build longer-term brands, though SCEJ hasn't really made any breakout hits sans Gran Turismo, you see some of their old favorites recur every so often, namely Ape Escape and Hot Shots

Nintendo builds icons, but the problem being the icons crowd out the potentiality for new IPs. I mean, hell, we didn't see a home-console Starfox or F-Zero this generation, and that's because Nintendo's running too many medium-sized icon brands under their top-tier or prestige icon brands (Mario, Pokemon and Kirby falling into the top tier, with Wii ____ there now too, and Zelda and Metroid in the prestige column), more than they have resources to deal with, let alone make new studios

Sony makes all these new IPs because they toss aside their old ones, which some people frame as a bad thing (and given that none of these new IPs never reach Nintendo or Halo levels of success, it could very well be a bad thing objectively), but primarily i think it's a difference in attitude. Nintendo fails to make new IPs because there's more demand for their big brands than they can handle as it is, let alone if they really tried to branch out creatively, and because its easier to cushion new ideas by transferring older characters into them (seen with Kirby's Epic Yarn and Kid Icarus Uprising, both of which were new IPs in the concept stage of development)



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But, who cares? If they are happy hating Nintendo, let them be. Just ignore, laugh at some of their ridiculous arguments and continue playing. Don't waste your time, they never listen.



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The hypocrisy I see right now that I wish to address is the one of the people that say there are only Mario Zelda and Pokemon on Nintendo consoles but then refuse to even look at other games for the console (until, funnily enough, the games are not coming to America, then they matter...). I have plenty of friends that say those types of things spouted on thee internet and then say they will not buy the 3DS until the new Zelda comes out.

They do not want other games, but they want to get all over Nintendo for not making new titles. It makes no sense. All this talk of Last Story and Xenoblade is only because people can hold Nintendo accountable. Had the games come, just like Monster Hunter Tri, or Tatsunoko vs Capcom (a game in the same position as Xenoblade and Last Story... everyone hated on Nintendo for not bringing it here, then when it did come, the haters magically disappeared and the game was not mentioned by, "hard core" fighting fans again), gamers talking right now (for the most part) would not even say these games existed; let alone matter. It would be the same old, "There are only five good games on Wii..." speech I been seeing for the last few years.

The games are not coming, I get that some people will be upset by this, but it seems more as fodder for haters than complaints by the real Nintendo fans and that devalues thee integrity of the haters. For shame you guys. If Xenoblade really came here most of you would not give the game a word except, "it would have been better on PS3" like I see for Monster Hunter Tri and saw for Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Grrrrr



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We're praying Uncharted makes it through beyond this gen... lol



GhaudePhaede010 said:

The hypocrisy I see right now that I wish to address is the one of the people that say there are only Mario Zelda and Pokemon on Nintendo consoles but then refuse to even look at other games for the console (until, funnily enough, the games are not coming to America, then they matter...). I have plenty of friends that say those types of things spouted on thee internet and then say they will not buy the 3DS until the new Zelda comes out.

They do not want other games, but they want to get all over Nintendo for not making new titles. It makes no sense. All this talk of Last Story and Xenoblade is only because people can hold Nintendo accountable. Had the games come, just like Monster Hunter Tri, or Tatsunoko vs Capcom (a game in the same position as Xenoblade and Last Story... everyone hated on Nintendo for not bringing it here, then when it did come, the haters magically disappeared and the game was not mentioned by, "hard core" fighting fans again), gamers talking right now (for the most part) would not even say these games existed; let alone matter. It would be the same old, "There are only five good games on Wii..." speech I been seeing for the last few years.

The games are not coming, I get that some people will be upset by this, but it seems more as fodder for haters than complaints by the real Nintendo fans and that devalues thee integrity of the haters. For shame you guys. If Xenoblade really came here most of you would not give the game a word except, "it would have been better on PS3" like I see for Monster Hunter Tri and saw for Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Grrrrr

Pretty damn good post and I couldn't have put it better myself.  I've been trying to use MH3 as an example of good 3rd party games for the Wii.  If developers put some actual effort into their Wii games then you would see more quality titles.  I also like to point at the sales of the first two MH games that were on the PS2.  Even with a larger consumer base the first two MH games didn't even sell 1 million combined.  MH3 will eventually probably surpass the 2 million mark when all is said and done.  So Capcom was able to expand their fan base for MH series through the Wii. 

One more hypocrisy I hate is the whole hardcore vs casual.  PS3 and 360 fanboys (not all but a majority on other sites) like to make Nintendo seem childish.  The "hardcore" HD gamers like to act like there isn't kids games, shovelware, etc.. on their systems.  That if you play on Nintendo systems then you are just a kid and there is no way any grown up would touch a Nintendo system.



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Tell me 1 sucessfull IP that Nintendo created this gen. Oh, im not talking about Wii Music, Wii Play, Wii Motion Play, and Wii x bullshit. I want real IP, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid.
You cant name even 1.

Bye.



italo244 said:
Tell me 1 sucessfull IP that Nintendo created this gen. Oh, im not talking about Wii Music, Wii Play, Wii Motion Play, and Wii x bullshit. I want real IP, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid.
You cant name even 1.

Bye.


How about Wii Fit? 

Seriously though... This was a new genre that was created.  There weren't too many fitness games before this that I can remember.  The only one I can remember would be the world track with the power pad back during the NES era.  Can't blame them for making a new genre (just because you don't like) be successful.



italo244 said:
Tell me 1 sucessfull IP that Nintendo created this gen. Oh, im not talking about Wii Music, Wii Play, Wii Motion Play, and Wii x bullshit. I want real IP, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid.
You cant name even 1.

Bye.

Yes, let's move the goalposts all over the place and everyone can disqualify everything, especially to ignore that which is the most successful new IP of this generation, or the most successful new IP period since Super Mario Bros



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srry but Bioshock 2 doesn't count cause irrational games didn't make it plus like those Nintendo games bioshock infinite is innovative.

as a Nintendo fan myself i've only found 8 games (next gen will be 15)worth playing this gen on the Wii which is my current requirement for owning any home console.

i hate COD, there was a Change from GEARS 1-2 and uncharted 1-3 not to mention gamers across all 4 platforms are guilty of these hypocrisies that you speak of.



I definitly think Nintendo needs to create new franchises and styles of games, but so does everyone else. Nintendo is only part of the problem. There may seemingly be "new IPs" on the HD consoles, but most of those games tend to adhere to the same formula anyway, thus making it essentially the same game with a different overlay. An example would be the similarity between games like Medal of Honor/Call of Duty/Battlefied/Socom, etc, or Dynasty Warriors/Heavenly Sword/God of War 3. The real issue isn't new ips, but new types of games altogether with entirely different game mechanics and a fresh and interesting new game world and backstory.