thx1139 said: morenoingrato said: PS3, dunno, I'm not a PS3 owner, but the line-up looks amazing. Wii? Hell NO! Nintendo, overall had a better conference than Microsoft, for 3DS's amazing line-up and WiiU, but Wii sucked too hard. But 360 doesnt compete against 3DS or Vita so dont really care. I for one have stopped playing games on handhelds and so have my children.  Really think mobile gaming is moving to smartphones, but that is another topic.  I dont understand the PS3 lineup looks amazing. If it doesn than the 360 lineup looks f@$#ing fantastic.

Well first off I'm somewhat confused by your lineup for both, are you just basing it off the conferences because I don't think Rise of Nightmares was at the conference or is it new stuff anounced because that doesn't seem like it either.  Second, Xcom is multiplat I'm afraid.

 

PSN stuff you didn't hear about but all looks top quality:

Papo & Yo (PSN)

Heist (PSN)

Journey (PSN) *which just makes you a terrible person btw*

Pixeljunk Sidescroller (PSN)

Torillian said: thx1139 said: morenoingrato said: PS3, dunno, I'm not a PS3 owner, but the line-up looks amazing. Wii? Hell NO! Nintendo, overall had a better conference than Microsoft, for 3DS's amazing line-up and WiiU, but Wii sucked too hard. But 360 doesnt compete against 3DS or Vita so dont really care. I for one have stopped playing games on handhelds and so have my children.  Really think mobile gaming is moving to smartphones, but that is another topic.  I dont understand the PS3 lineup looks amazing. If it doesn than the 360 lineup looks f@$#ing fantastic. Well first off I'm somewhat confused by your lineup for both, are you just basing it off the conferences because I don't think Rise of Nightmares was at the conference or is it new stuff anounced because that doesn't seem like it either.  Second, Xcom is multiplat I'm afraid.   PSN stuff you didn't hear about but all looks top quality: Papo & Yo (PSN) Heist (PSN) Journey (PSN) *which just makes you a terrible person btw* Pixeljunk Sidescroller (PSN)

I am basing off of the whole week. Not just the press conference.

Didnt catch the annoucement about Xcom PS3.

Why am I a terrible person because I didnt hear about Journey?  What is it.

simple , every kinect game added a negative point in the eyes of hardcore gamers, you know the ones that know about the existence of E3, so at the end they ended with the worst presentation of them all.

thx1139 said: I am talking about everything that went on at E3 not just the press conferences. OK so I was on vacation last week and only paid partial attention to E3. I have watched the MS E3 presentation and seen many of the other 360 announcements made by MS and others post the presentation.  If it wasnt shown, but we know its coming I will not mention it. I wont mention multiplatform (I dont mean what may show up on PC) even if they have console specific features. For 360 I see the following showcased titles (all week) Gears 3 - September 2011 Forza 4 - October 2011 Halo CE Anniversary - November 2011 Halo 4 - 2012 Dance Central 2 - Holiday 2011 Kinect Sports 2 - Holiday 2011 Kinect Star Wars - Holiday 2011 Kinect Disneyland Adventures - November 2011 Ryse - 2012 Fable: The Journey - 2012 Minecraft - Winter 2011 Rise of Nightmares - Fall 2011 Sesame Street - Fall 2011 XCOM - 2012 New voice enabled Metro UI 360 dashboard with youtube, ufc, live tv, bing enabled integrated content search. New Xbox Live features include cloud storage, beacons. Many new XBLA titles. So I contrast that with the stuff I heard about for PS3 and Wii. Wii New Zelda - Fall 2011 New Kirby - Fall 2011 PS3 Resistance 3 - Fall 2011 Uncharted 3 - Fall 2011 Twisted Metal - Fall 2011 Starhawk - 2012 Sly Cooper 4 - 2012 PSP God of War titles packaged for PS3 As far as I know nothing new for PSN.   So what did I miss?

What you're missing is that essentially  nothing was new , overly exciting or interesting from the 360 camp.  It was a lot more of the same.  Don't mistake that Sony or Nintendo had particularly awesome press conferences,  just that they atleast announced some new hardware,software that related to it's core owners and as a whole offered more to that sect than Microsoft.  Contrast that with the 360 (Who is targeting essentially 20% of their userbase or less with new super casual Kinect titles (That don't look even very good) and feeding the other 80% of their userbase with re-hash titles.

Case in point :
Ryse - 2012 (Looks potentially interesting)Dance Central 2 - Holiday 2011   (Probably the one big app for Kinect, but dancing games certainly aren't mainstream).
Kinect Sports 2 - Holiday 2011     (Potential to be interesting)Gears 3 - September 2011  (Big Hitter title looks great).
Forza 4 - October 2011 (Solid racing title but necessarily Gran Turismo stature either.)
Halo CE Anniversary - November 2011 (Even more Halo? Allegedly not run on Reach engine, made by people who made TimeShift.  Certainly not necessarily something to go crazy over (Just because the Halo namesake is stamped on it). 
Halo 4 - 2012 (Halo not made by Bungie with essentially no information on it, Reach released not even a year ago..Halo overload much?  Looked tossed into the mix just 'because its Halo and people will eat that up'.  Not playable, not showable, nothing... Just letting you know Halo 4 exists.  )  

Kinect Star Wars - Holiday 2011  (On the rails, looks pretty mediocre)Kinect Disneyland Adventures - November 2011  (100% kid friendly)Sesame Street - Fall 2011 (100% kid friendly)Fable: The Journey - 2012 (On the rails, looks mediocre)Minecraft - Winter 2011  (Fun game but certainly not some 'Killer App'.  More of a game that's fun to toy with for a period of time, certainly not some  full-fledged app or game).

As for Sony :

Resistance 3 - Fall 2011 (Pretty middling title similar to Forza).
Uncharted 3 - Fall 2011 ( Very similar to Gears of War)
Twisted Metal - Fall 2011 (First appearance of this franchise this generation)
Starhawk - 2012 (New IP with strong multiplayer element)
Sly Cooper 4 - 2012 (First appearance of this franchise this generation).Dust Remastering of several popular titles

Papo & Yo (PSN)

Heist (PSN)

Journey (PSN)

Pixeljunk Sidescroller (PSN)

Good pricing announcements.

This is with several games in the backlog that weren't even shown that we aren't sure of one way or another. (Last Guardian, Possibly GoW 4?, Final Fantasy Versus,  The Agent)

This all completely neglects Vita and cross-platform play possibilities with PS3 (Opening more software options).  I don't like handhelds either, but that new hardware does have increased PS3 potential and took up time for the press conference that could have been used to show future teaser trailers.

 

The big disappointment in my eyes of MS press conference was primarily Kinect-Children games / Cash-in on the rails games  and the only thing else  is the announced (4th / 5th Halo FPS releases this generation...6th usage of the IP this generation).  The third release of the Forza franchise this generation and the third release of the Gears franchise this generation.    The problem I think many are having with this,  is that what does Microsoft have to release first party beyond Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable?  And with them all being announced it seems like that's all we've got. 

op,The Witcher 2 360ver coming this fall

Well, MS was heavy on Casual Kinect Stuff, Kinect invading on traditional games, and multi-media stuff during their conference and completely neglected to mention Cloud Saving and XBLA Summer titles they have coming.

Nintendo only showed one Wii game and five 3DS games at their conference. When they showed the Wii U, they showcased PC/360/PS3 videos; The tech demos were also a bit underwhelming, they seemed like they could be on the Wii with a peripheral controller. Also, they never actually showed the Wii U itself during the conference leaving many confused.

Sony did lay a bit heavy on 3D and Move stuff this year, but showed the most exclusive core games. The Vita price reveal and demos were actually really cool (the high point of E3).

Overall i would give E3 a B+ on technical Presentation and a C+ on content. If you didn't read any of the spoilers/leaked info prior to the show, it was actually a pretty good E3. Shame many gaming news sites have to kill the magic.

I think people are saying Sony and Nintendo have a better conference overall than Microsoft. Thanks to WiiU and Vita, I agree Sony was the best, not Nintendo.

But PS3 vs 360 vs Wii. 360 and PS3 were on par, but 360 edged it out in every field, (motion games, core games, system SW) ect and Wii got virtually nothing.

thx1139 said: I am basing off of the whole week. Not just the press conference. Didnt catch the annoucement about Xcom PS3. Why am I a terrible person because I didnt hear about Journey?  What is it.

If it's off the whole week then you also forgot Atelier Totori, Star Trek, Medieval Moves, White Knight Chronicles 2, and hell since you tossed in some non-game stuff for 360 I'll toss in Pixeljunk Lifelike.

Normally I wouldn't mention smaller stuff or things that don't look like they'll end up great, but I don't think you really filtered your list like that so I won't bother.

Journey is amazing that's why, best DLC game of E3 bar none.  So awesome.

one word: KINECT
though I give MS credit for supporting their device, but the Kinect stuff went on for way too long.

thx1139 said: I am talking about everything that went on at E3 not just the press conferences. OK so I was on vacation last week and only paid partial attention to E3. I have watched the MS E3 presentation and seen many of the other 360 announcements made by MS and others post the presentation.  If it wasnt shown, but we know its coming I will not mention it. I wont mention multiplatform (I dont mean what may show up on PC) even if they have console specific features. For 360 I see the following showcased titles (all week) Gears 3 - September 2011 Forza 4 - October 2011 Halo CE Anniversary - November 2011 Halo 4 - 2012 Dance Central 2 - Holiday 2011 Kinect Sports 2 - Holiday 2011 Kinect Star Wars - Holiday 2011 Kinect Disneyland Adventures - November 2011 Ryse - 2012 Fable: The Journey - 2012 Minecraft - Winter 2011 - XBL, not really a full game, but anyone I know who's played minecraft keep telling me it is. Rise of Nightmares - Fall 2011 - No info at E3 (at least I didn't see any for the Japanese Kinect titles, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, Codename D, etc) Sesame Street - Fall 2011 XCOM - 2012 Not exclusive anymore The Witcher 2 - Fall 2011 New voice enabled Metro UI 360 dashboard with youtube, ufc, live tv, bing enabled integrated content search. New Xbox Live features include cloud storage, beacons. Many new XBLA titles. So I contrast that with the stuff I heard about for PS3 and Wii. Wii New Zelda - Fall 2011 New Kirby - Fall 2011 Mario Party 9 - Fall 2011 Fortune Quest - Fall 2011 More games are coming, but not shown at E3. The Last Story, XenoBlade, DQX, Pikmin 3 (I hope still) PS3 Resistance 3 - Fall 2011 Uncharted 3 - Fall 2011 Twisted Metal - Fall 2011 Starhawk - 2012 Sly Cooper 4 - 2012 PSP God of War titles packaged for PS3 ICO Collection - Fall 2011 The Last Guardian (but I didn't see it at E3) Dust 514 - 2012 Medevil Moves - Fall 2011 Sorcery - Fall 2011 Disgaea 4 - Fall 2011 Dragon's Crown - Fall 2011 Ruin - Fall 2011 As far as I know nothing new for PSN.   So what did I miss?

I've been through this so many times already, but I'm glad to see people agree with you that 360 was the best, largely because of Halo 4.

I also agree, but 360 only beats PS3 realy because of Halo 4. However your list isn't quite accurate, so let me expand. You missed a lot of PS3 games.

So 13 games for the Wii (plus a handful of Japanese Kinect games we will likely learn more about at TGS), but it includes 2 <5 kids games and an XBL game. PS3 has 14 games, but the only not talked about game was The Last Guardian, so if we include the Japanese Kinect games, 360 has slightly more. Of those 14 games, 2 are ports.

Of all those games, MS has 4 AAA games, and PS3 has 2 AAA games coming out, not to say that smaller budget or Kinect/Move games won't be fun.

So IMO, 360 beat PS3 which crushed Wii, but without Halo 4 I would not have given the title to 360.