Good point.

i wasnt criticizing you, i didnt know what you meant. 

nothing was wrong with your grammar.

sony announced they shipped over 150 million a long time ago (i believe around Christmas). like you said vgchartz has it at 143 million. thats 7 million undertracked.

are you joking that they have it undertracked  by a little, are you serious.  7 MILLION, thats A TON!!!!

I think gamestop's 100$ off new PS3's deal definitely has something to do with it. But the offer is limited to only Pro Members and only certian Pro Members get chosen.

Here's the link...

http://kotaku.com/5800221/gamestop-knocks-100-off-the-playstation-3-just-not-for-everybody

Do you think Sony ships PS2 consoles every day? Also 1.5 million more units shipping in 3 months? That would imply 6 million shipments a year, for 2011 (remember holidays increase sales dramatically). PS2 only sold 4.6 million units worldwide last year, why would it go up this year?

At best PS2 is at 151 million units shipped, and with EMEAA data for this week VGC has PS2 at 143 million. The different in units shipped from VGC's units sold is about 8 million.

Now you claim you don't see many PS2's on shelves, well what region do you live in? Most PS2 sales are to rural regions in EMEAA where either PS3/360 aren't sold their yet, or they are relatively new consoles. Of the 4.59 million PS2 units sold, only 1.87 million were to retailers in Americas. Out of curiosity how many EB Games/Gamestops/Wal-Marts/Toys R Us/Target/.... do you think there are in Canada, USA, Brazil, Mexico, and the rest of the Americas region? I'd say there was at least 1 video game retailed per 1,000 people, expand the population to 500 million people, that's about 500,000 retailers. Now retailers don't stock consoles for an entire year, maybe 3 months or so, so the about 2 million units sold last year should roughly translate to 1 console per retailer per 3 months.

You shouldn't be seeing too many PS2's on store shelves for VGC numbers to be remotely accurate. If you see 1 per store, then VGC is at least tracking sales of PS2's in Americas fine.

I think 2-5 million units undertracked is spot on. If the difference between VGC sold and Sony shipped is 8 million, I can't see VGC undertracking PS2 by more then 6 million. 5 Million I think is extreme enough when you consider how many countries and retailers throughout Europe, Asia, The Middle East and Africa have. you kind of have to overship in order for every retailer to have even a single PS2 console.

I don't think I ever said PS2 is being undertracked by a little, I only said less then people are estimating. You initially said 10 million without giving it much thought, now you say 7 million. Do you think every PS2 console is sold the second it is shipped? PS2 is sold to more countries then any other video game console has ever been (except maybe the original gameboy), and it's at the end of it's lifespan.

It only makes sense that retailers have some extra supply of consoles on shelves. Maybe they only have 3-4 million units stocked up, but that still brings down the undertracking of the console. I feel PS2 is undertracked by 2-5 million, 5 million being an extreme case. That is still substantial, but 10 million, that's just ridiculous.

PSN isn't the only reason to own a PS3. I've been having an insane amount of fun replaying Heavy Rain and trying to Platinum it, as well as re-playing Uncharted 2 trying to find my last few treasures to Platinum that as well. I don't really see why PSN being down for a few weeks would have anything to do with whether someone would buy a console or not. 

Like I quoted before:

"I can't complain. So PSN went down for 3 weeks. Big deal. Thats after 3 years of free online gameplay that I've never had any issues with. Its not the end of the world or anything. If someone was letting me play sports on a court/field/whatever for free everyday for three years, and then said that someone took their truck out on it and tore it up so it would need 3 weeks of renovations... I wouldn't complain. I'd come back in 3 weeks and play again.

The people who make this sound like the end of the world need to grow up. PSN went down, OMFG HAXOR. Can't find anything else to do? Thats sad. If I get free games and an extension on my PSN Plus when it comes back up, thats awesome. If I don't, oh well. I'll keep playing and won't be complaining. Someone stole my name, address, and phone number? So what? Its in the phonebook, its on facebook, its on google, yellowbook, and whatever other websites. They didn't get anything that anyone should be worried about.

Be glad Sony has given us this free service for this long and will continue to do so in the future."

okay my friend

i said ten million because i didnt feel like looking it up, and i was rounding.

also Sony announced 150m shipped around Nov- Jan-ish, i dont remember. but Sony has surely sold 1million plus since then.

also ps2's sell at a vey slow rate, so shipped figures will nearly = sold. there is wayyy less than 1 miilion on selves, theres less than 1 million ps3 on selves, and that sell much more, faster. So it is very likely that the current sold figure is ~150 million, so about 7 million undertracked.

also for the bolded

"Also VGC has PS2 at 142.8 million sold, which may be a little undertracked"

but its no big deal.

Sony announced 150 million in 2011. I recall this because aroud January 1st 2011 VGC made an article talking about expected gaming trends, and seeing PS2 cross 150 million units shipped was on that list. It then happened about a month after.

PS2's sell at a very slow rate, but it's also sold to the most regions worldwide. Sold shouldn't be too close to units shiped because every retailer should have at least 1 PS2 on hand, and it doesn't go anywhere. Also unlike PS3, PS2 has been in development for a long time, and it's not going to see any new Slim model or official bundle, so Sony has no trouble keeping ample supply. In the case of PS3, they are still developing it to be cheaper, so if they shipped a lot of units now, and sold them later when the PS3 production costs are down, profits would be down.

Ontop of that, PS2 still sell well in regions where PS3 is not sold, or only recently released (meaning within 2 years). There must be hundreds of thousands of retailers, and I just can't picture every retailer only having 1-3 PS2 consoles on hand.

Regardless, it is undertracked. Weather by 7 million, or 2-5 million, it's undertracked. I just highly doubt only 1 million PS3's are on store shelves. I recall last September it was closer to 2 million, but it's a slower time of the year.

As for me stating PS2 being a little undertracked, you should read the rest of the sentance. Maybe I shouldn't have included the term little, but in the grand scheme, my point was that it's not as undertracked by s much as people claim.

I agree with you. Not only is switching consoles a costly investment, it's pretty irrelevent consiering PSN will be back up someday.

I only think the Call of Duty fanatics would be the ones who would switch consoles for this.

However, how PS3 is still selling this well, during this crisis is still beyond me. I would think some new console buyers would look at this and at least reconsider buying a 360. Yet PS3 and 360 are both selling about as well.

Because people buying a new console now have probably never played much online in the first place if they don't already have a ps3 or 360?