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Baalzamon on 25 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.


Ok and King Arthur contains the words of Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, among a bunch of others. Why isn't that sacred?


Because its made up by man. And people believe New Testament are the words of son of God .A God or higher power is something people believed in ever since their brain was developed enough to think. It all comes own to fatih, after all (weather you believe God is made up by man or higher power really exists)

That's just it.  I think the argument he is making is that the Bible was written by man just as much as any other book (history or otherwise) was written by man.  Whether or not history books claim the bible is the words of the son of god, that was also written in history.  People fabricate things, if not for the sole purpose of lying, but for the purpose of making things work how they want them to.  There is absolutely no way to prove that what the Bible says has truth to it, unless God would literally ascend down from heaven in front of me, and tell me..."Son, the bible contains only the truth."  The same exact goes for King Arthur.  I don't know if everything written in history books is exactly what happened, nor is there any way to prove this.



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vlad321 on 25 April 2011
Baalzamon said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.


Ok and King Arthur contains the words of Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, among a bunch of others. Why isn't that sacred?


Because its made up by man. And people believe New Testament are the words of son of God .A God or higher power is something people believed in ever since their brain was developed enough to think. It all comes own to fatih, after all (weather you believe God is made up by man or higher power really exists)

That's just it.  I think the argument he is making is that the Bible was written by man just as much as any other book (history or otherwise) was written by man.  Whether or not history books claim the bible is the words of the son of god, that was also written in history.  People fabricate things, if not for the sole purpose of lying, but for the purpose of making things work how they want them to.  There is absolutely no way to prove that what the Bible says has truth to it, unless God would literally ascend down from heaven in front of me, and tell me..."Son, the bible contains only the truth."  The same exact goes for King Arthur.  I don't know if everything written in history books is exactly what happened, nor is there any way to prove this.

Someone else with a voice of reason to see exactly where I am going with this. Thank you.



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sapphi_snake on 25 April 2011
Porcupine_I said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.


Ok and King Arthur contains the words of Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, among a bunch of others. Why isn't that sacred?


Because its made up by man. And people believe New Testament are the words of son of God .A God or higher power is something people believed in ever since their brain was developed enough to think. It all comes own to fatih, after all (weather you believe God is made up by man or higher power really exists)

i was just thinking about that part the other day. that must have been the exact moment when they also realized that they would  inevitably die one day. and they would have to compensate for that knowledge with something that would come afterwards. and that is what religion is fundamentally all about. the possibility about a life after death. and you can only exclain that possibility with a higher power.

Actually first human religions dealt with the ideea of spirits living in animals. People started getting the ideea that there's life after death when they started practicing agriculture.



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sapphi_snake on 25 April 2011
vlad321 said:

 

Also, ever since a brain was developed people have desired to find patterns, and understanding, of how nature acts. Given the primitive nature of people at that point, the only thing they could imagine is a higher diety. Now that we can actually observe and create pretty good models for many things in nature, we no longer need such an ignorant way of describing the world.

Very good post!!! Too bad people haven't changed much.



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Porcupine_I on 25 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.


Ok and King Arthur contains the words of Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, among a bunch of others. Why isn't that sacred?


Because its made up by man. And people believe New Testament are the words of son of God .A God or higher power is something people believed in ever since their brain was developed enough to think. It all comes own to fatih, after all (weather you believe God is made up by man or higher power really exists)

i was just thinking about that part the other day. that must have been the exact moment when they also realized that they would  inevitably die one day. and they would have to compensate for that knowledge with something that would come afterwards. and that is what religion is fundamentally all about. the possibility about a life after death. and you can only exclain that possibility with a higher power.

Actually first human religions dealt with the ideea of spirits living in animals. People started getting the ideea that there's life after death when they started practicing agriculture.

that is interesting. do you have any idea how this was determined? i would like to read up on this.



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Scoobes on 25 April 2011

Well this is interesting. I think Doobie summed up my view pretty well earlier.

And Vlad's right:

All religious texts have to be written by man and their is now way to prove they're accurate or true than any other historical text or myth. You have to look at them with the context of the times, the surrounding archaelogical evidence and the purpose of the text in question. I believe someone used the metaphor of the Iliad as a complete reference to the Siege of Troy; the same would apply to using only the New Testament to explain the events described in it (it'd be silly).




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sapphi_snake on 25 April 2011
Porcupine_I said:
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.


Ok and King Arthur contains the words of Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, among a bunch of others. Why isn't that sacred?


Because its made up by man. And people believe New Testament are the words of son of God .A God or higher power is something people believed in ever since their brain was developed enough to think. It all comes own to fatih, after all (weather you believe God is made up by man or higher power really exists)

i was just thinking about that part the other day. that must have been the exact moment when they also realized that they would  inevitably die one day. and they would have to compensate for that knowledge with something that would come afterwards. and that is what religion is fundamentally all about. the possibility about a life after death. and you can only exclain that possibility with a higher power.

Actually first human religions dealt with the ideea of spirits living in animals. People started getting the ideea that there's life after death when they started practicing agriculture.

that is interesting. do you have any idea how this was determined? i would like to read up on this.

The cave paintings. They were not done for artistic purposes, but for religious puposes (learned this at Uni). The life after death concept came from observing how plants died and then were "reborn"(not actually what happens, but they didn't know better, as all plants look alike).



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Porcupine_I on 25 April 2011
vlad321 said:
ProdigyBam said:
pizzahut451 said:


Whats YOUR point? Christianity is based on New Testament, the teachings of Christ and what he said a good Christian should act, about Christ's lifetime on Earth and christian moral. What the hell does any of this had to do with King Arthur?

Just stop, he knows hes wrong but doesnt want to show it, really sad.

I will say that in german because my english is bad but he understands me.

Leute wie den muss es geben, es ist so prophezeit worden. Und eigentlich sind solche Leute der größte Gottesbeweis, den du bekämpfst nichts, vor was du Angst hast. Tief im Inneren weiß er, dass es so etwas wie einen Gott geben muss, aber er versucht es durch hirnlose Angriffe irgendwie zu verdrängen.

Oder kurz in einem Bibelvers zusammengefasst, der perfekt auf unsere heutige Zeit zutrifft, die Zeit kurz vor der Endzeit (wie ich meine):

Wenn euch die Welt hasst, so wisst, dass sie mich vor euch gehasst hat.
Wäret ihr von der Welt, so hätte die Welt das Ihre lieb. Weil ihr aber nicht von der Welt seid, sondern ich euch aus der Welt erwählt habe, darum hasst euch die Welt.

 

Und zu den Moslems: Die Leute trauen sich bloß nicht den (politischen) Islam anzugreifen, weil man dafür sein Leben riskiert, aber Hardlineratheisten lieben es auf den christlichen Glauben loszugehen, weil sie genau wissen, dass sie vor den Gläubigen einer Religion, die Nächstenliebe und "die andere Wange hinhalten" predigt, keine Angst haben müssen. Ich find es nur lächerlich zu behaupten, dass Christen Kinderficker sind, Kriege wegen dem Christentum angefangen wurden und das Christentum Rassismus oder sonstwas fördert, obwohl diese Taten in der Bibel scharf verurteilt werden. Das Komische ist nur, dass alles oben stehende perfekt auf den Koran zutrifft (ich hab ihn gelesen) und auf das Leben des Mohammed, aber scheinbar viele Atheisten kein Problem mit dieser "Religion" haben. Es ist einfach der Hass auf die eigene Kultur und es macht mich echt fertig, dass ich als Nichtdeutscher dieses Land mehr verteidige, als die Deutschen, die lieber zusehen wie es untergeht. Naja...


I am actually very much correct. Any argument you can make for any religious text's validity, sacredness, whatever you want to call it, I can make about some fairy tale, fable, whatever.

P.S. I don't know why you think I know german.

he is actually quoting the bible to prove that people like you need to exist and have been foretold, and that you are actually proving the existance of god, because you wouldn't fight something that you are afraid of! ( yes i know it doesn't make sense). deep inside you know god exists but you try to deny it with your brainless attacks.

i spare you the rest, it gets weirder



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Scoobes on 25 April 2011
Porcupine_I said:
vlad321 said:
ProdigyBam said:
pizzahut451 said:


Whats YOUR point? Christianity is based on New Testament, the teachings of Christ and what he said a good Christian should act, about Christ's lifetime on Earth and christian moral. What the hell does any of this had to do with King Arthur?

Just stop, he knows hes wrong but doesnt want to show it, really sad.

I will say that in german because my english is bad but he understands me.

Leute wie den muss es geben, es ist so prophezeit worden. Und eigentlich sind solche Leute der größte Gottesbeweis, den du bekämpfst nichts, vor was du Angst hast. Tief im Inneren weiß er, dass es so etwas wie einen Gott geben muss, aber er versucht es durch hirnlose Angriffe irgendwie zu verdrängen.

Oder kurz in einem Bibelvers zusammengefasst, der perfekt auf unsere heutige Zeit zutrifft, die Zeit kurz vor der Endzeit (wie ich meine):

Wenn euch die Welt hasst, so wisst, dass sie mich vor euch gehasst hat.
Wäret ihr von der Welt, so hätte die Welt das Ihre lieb. Weil ihr aber nicht von der Welt seid, sondern ich euch aus der Welt erwählt habe, darum hasst euch die Welt.

 

Und zu den Moslems: Die Leute trauen sich bloß nicht den (politischen) Islam anzugreifen, weil man dafür sein Leben riskiert, aber Hardlineratheisten lieben es auf den christlichen Glauben loszugehen, weil sie genau wissen, dass sie vor den Gläubigen einer Religion, die Nächstenliebe und "die andere Wange hinhalten" predigt, keine Angst haben müssen. Ich find es nur lächerlich zu behaupten, dass Christen Kinderficker sind, Kriege wegen dem Christentum angefangen wurden und das Christentum Rassismus oder sonstwas fördert, obwohl diese Taten in der Bibel scharf verurteilt werden. Das Komische ist nur, dass alles oben stehende perfekt auf den Koran zutrifft (ich hab ihn gelesen) und auf das Leben des Mohammed, aber scheinbar viele Atheisten kein Problem mit dieser "Religion" haben. Es ist einfach der Hass auf die eigene Kultur und es macht mich echt fertig, dass ich als Nichtdeutscher dieses Land mehr verteidige, als die Deutschen, die lieber zusehen wie es untergeht. Naja...


I am actually very much correct. Any argument you can make for any religious text's validity, sacredness, whatever you want to call it, I can make about some fairy tale, fable, whatever.

P.S. I don't know why you think I know german.

he is actually quoting the bible to prove that people like you need to exist and have been foretold, and that you are actually proving the existance of god, because you wouldn't fight something that you are afraid of! ( yes i know it doesn't make sense). deep inside you know god exists but you try to deny it with your brainless attacks.

i spare you the rest, it gets weirder

So he's basically saying that the material in the bible is real because.... the bible says so? lol




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sapphi_snake on 25 April 2011
Scoobes said:

So he's basically saying that the material in the bible is real because.... the bible says so? lol

A perfect example of circular logic if I've ever seen one.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)