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Immortal said:
pizzahut451 said:
Immortal said:


Defensive? Dude, I'm not atheist - how would I be offended? Besides, I called that the behaviour of a lot of atheists and you called it immature. By one of the divine laws of the universe that we have learned to accept as common sense without any form of proof, if a = b and b = c, then a = c.

That is, unless you were disagreeing with me in the first place about a lot of atheists' behaviour. If so, you didn't make that clear at all, and, since you quoted me without any objection to that, I naturally presumed that was agreed.


You described that behaviour, not me. And rational sense tells us that that behaviour is immature. I didnt call atheist immature I called the behaviour you yourself described


Sorry, but you didn't make that clear. Considering you quoted me and didn't bother to point out that you disagreed with what I said, I assumed we were in agreement.

And I disagree. It seems too natural to be called immature. But that's entirely subjective.


Natural habbits can also apper immature sometimes.



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Immortal said:
vlad321 said:

Actually that's the thing. I don't believe in anything unless it has been observed. The simple fact is that in the grand scheme of things, if you go all the way back to the big bang, anything has absolutely 0 probability of ever happening. Furthermore, witout having any informatino from before the big bang, absolutely anything could have happened. Without any evidence, there is absolutely 0 chance that it is like anything anyone has ever come up with. So just out of pure statistics, all religions that have ever existed, and will exist that aren't based on some information, are just wrong.

It could be that there is one being, it could be that it is a race of beings. It could be that there never was a being to begin with. It could literally be an infinite amount of combinations of things, some of which we can't even be able to comprehend. That is what I believe. Go ahead and equate it to the existance of Pokemon, because I think I might be entertained by you trying.

P.S. Good quote. I will need to remind myself that I should equate religions to Pokemon. Not many of the people in the newer generation even know about fairy tales, but Pokemon is almost ubiquitous.

 

OT: I would also liek to point out that for centuries Christians used to demean, even kill, people for not believing. Yet the moment they come under attack "Oh no our poor feelings are hurt, stop it." Just an observation. I think religious people just need to man up, what they are going through is not even 1/1000th what others went through when a given religion was widely believed. There are also still places where people are demeaned and killed due to religious reasons.

 

Edit: I forgot to mention, you were very demeaning and sconrful towards people who do believe in fairy tales.


Bweh, fine. I thought you'd give something easier. I can more or less accept that as true though I just skimmed it. I was pretty much going to use that to something to the same effect to say that anything is just about as true as anything else.

Going back, I'd like to ask, solely for the purpose of discussion, why exactly you value stuff that has been observed. And, I'd like to add, whose reliable observations would you trust and why those observations prove anything.

As for your on-topic comment, I think everyone knows how rotten Christianity has been over the ages. But you have to see that that has dropped tremendously since (I'd presume the Renaissance when everything went secular, but I'm not sure). Also, the Christians who are offended easily are rarely the same ones who went around (or go around) killing people for their beliefs. It's completely unfair to judge one Christian by the acts of another, yet I've noticed that people seem to judge all religious people by the acts of some Christians in the past. A lot of religions have little to no blood on their hands.

As for your final edit, I indeed am, but there's some practicality to it. Whilst it's certainly not ideal, like it or not, you have to respect religions more simply because there are more people to be offended. If you're in a minority like those who believe in fairy tales, you'll have to suffer somewhat.

It's the same logic as only having a males and females bathroom. I bet it offends people who are classified as neither, but it's simply impractical to waste my time building a third one when so few people would use it.


I value things that have been observed solely because if it has been observed then we have informatino about it. Otherwise we don't know jack shit and any assumptions, just like any religion,  are absolutely guaranteed to be wrong. As for who to listen to, that is why we have the scientific method, one part of which states an observed result must be able to be reproduced so that others can observe it for themselves if they so wanted to.

As for the bold. I am sorry, maybe it's my godless morals, but the truth is not an insult and anyone offended by it should wisen up and stop being so self-conscious of their beliefs. If they don't like how it sounds, then they are believing in the wrong thing. It doesn't matter how many people are offended, just one or a billion, things are the way things are. As I have outlined pretty well, religions have the exact same merits as fairy tales. You think that fairy tales are funny and false, by applying whatever reason you had for that to religion any religion becomes just as funny and false.



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pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?

They are illogical construction of people's minds to explain the world, given validity solely because they were written down and the fact that there is an X amount of people who believe in it. I would love for you to tell me how Robin Hood is different than the Qoran or the Bible.

well, I cant speak for other religous books, but the New Testament (the Bible) isnt anything like that.


Alright, do let me know why. As far as I remember the new testament has the exact same merits as King Arthur.

I would also like to remind you that I can make a much better case for dragons, than anyone can for any religious text.



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vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?

They are illogical construction of people's minds to explain the world, given validity solely because they were written down and the fact that there is an X amount of people who believe in it. I would love for you to tell me how Robin Hood is different than the Qoran or the Bible.

well, I cant speak for other religous books, but the New Testament (the Bible) isnt anything like that.


Alright, do let me know why. As far as I remember the new testament has the exact same merits as King Arthur.


Because New Testament is book about teachings of Christ.



pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?

They are illogical construction of people's minds to explain the world, given validity solely because they were written down and the fact that there is an X amount of people who believe in it. I would love for you to tell me how Robin Hood is different than the Qoran or the Bible.

well, I cant speak for other religous books, but the New Testament (the Bible) isnt anything like that.


Alright, do let me know why. As far as I remember the new testament has the exact same merits as King Arthur.


Because New Testament is book about teachings of Christ.

And King Arthur is a book about the merits of someone named Arthur. What's your point?



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Just going to intrude this once: Comparing a holy book to a normal look, isn`t that fair, is it? You may not believe but there`s a difference there. And besides that, that book is sacred to some people.

That`s all.



DélioPT said:

Just going to intrude this once: Comparing a holy book to a normal look, isn`t that fair, is it? You may not believe but there`s a difference there. And besides that, that book is sacred to some people.

That`s all.

So one book is special just because some people think it's special, but another book witht he exact same merits isn't special?

I once met someone who actually believed in the nordic gods, does that make the nordic mythology sacred as well? How do you define sacred? Just by people's feelings?



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vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

Just going to intrude this once: Comparing a holy book to a normal look, isn`t that fair, is it? You may not believe but there`s a difference there. And besides that, that book is sacred to some people.

That`s all.

So one book is special just because some people think it's special, but another book witht he exact same merits isn't special?

I once met someone who actually believed in the nordic gods, does that make the nordic mythology sacred as well? How do you define sacred? Just by people's feelings?

First of all, when someone tells that they have believe or have is sacred, not just personally but like a religion, that shows how important it is to them and that alone deserves respect.
He believed? Ok. Personally i don`t but i would still respect his belief, even if i thought it was absurd. Something sacred is something that normally is above a person and defines him or her - and with it everything that is related to it.

With religion, God and everything related to Him is sacred. The holy book is sacred for that reason alone. It`s His teachings, His view on life, etc. It`s the book, the peace of paper that it`s sacred per se, it`s what it`s written and the meaning of there being such a book.



DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

Just going to intrude this once: Comparing a holy book to a normal look, isn`t that fair, is it? You may not believe but there`s a difference there. And besides that, that book is sacred to some people.

That`s all.

So one book is special just because some people think it's special, but another book witht he exact same merits isn't special?

I once met someone who actually believed in the nordic gods, does that make the nordic mythology sacred as well? How do you define sacred? Just by people's feelings?

First of all, when someone tells that they have believe or have is sacred, not just personally but like a religion, that shows how important it is to them and that alone deserves respect.
He believed? Ok. Personally i don`t but i would still respect his belief, even if i thought it was absurd. Something sacred is something that normally is above a person and defines him or her - and with it everything that is related to it.

With religion, God and everything related to Him is sacred. The holy book is sacred for that reason alone. It`s His teachings, His view on life, etc. It`s the book, the peace of paper that it`s sacred per se, it`s what it`s written and the meaning of there being such a book.

Again, I want to know why the meaning of a given religious text is sacred, but other things are not. Many fairy tales also have some sort of point that they try to teach. Why is the bible sacred, but they aren't? Is it just ebcause of the amount of people who believe in it?



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No, it`s because it contains the words from God and Jesus, along with his life. And that is defining to those who believe. That`s why we call it sacred and not just very important or very meaningful.