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Kantor said:
Rath said:
ProdigyBam said:

You will never hear such things about muslims, only about christians, because people are not afraid to bash a religion that is about love and peace. Many people hate their culture and everything what is included in that culture, such as religion, its the case here in germany among many people, most of them are left-winged, but they wont ever demonstrate against islamists or the political islam, altough that belief is very violent, just because it comes from somewhere else and people here only have the courage to bash everything that belongs to their own culture, even if it is good, but if you bash something from somewhere else, youre a racist. Like I said, thats only the case among many young people here in germany, I dont know if its the same case somewhere else.


Bahaha no. There are political organisations in the west that call for Islam to be banned, people burning Quarans etc. Islam, due to the attacks by radical Muslims, is extremely vilified in the west at the moment.

Generally you'll see on this board more atheists debating with Christians (and as such against Christian beliefs) because there are more Christians on these boards. In reality most atheists I know don't care what religion the person belongs to but what their beliefs within that religion are, for example most atheists find young earth creationist beliefs more silly than those who believe the Big Bang theory.

One pastor burns a Quran, and every government in the Western world gets on his case to stop. He gets a personal call from President Obama. He gets several death threats. The British government remarks that they would arrest him for it. A riot in Afghanistan kills several UN workers.

If I were to go outside right now and burn a Bible, would any of that happen? Indeed, when thousands of people burn Bibles at demonstrations in the Middle East, does any of that happen? No. Their right to free speech is defended.

It's exactly for that reason that people are turning against Islam to a much greater extent than they are turning against Christianity. Because when Islam is concerned, free speech is thrown out of the window. The one place it still exists is online, really. At least on this site, I've seen far more criticisms of Islam than Christianity, although the majority of their beliefs are the same.


As far as I can tell you basically agreed with me? People in the west are turning against Islam because of crazy Islamic extremists.



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Immortal said:
pizzahut451 said:


That wasnt my point. You see how you automaticlly go into defensive position because you feel I attacked you, when you completly missed my point? It only further proves my point I made in another thread earlier. The point is, I am not calling them immature, I am calling the behaviour you described as immature.


Defensive? Dude, I'm not atheist - how would I be offended? Besides, I called that the behaviour of a lot of atheists and you called it immature. By one of the divine laws of the universe that we have learned to accept as common sense without any form of proof, if a = b and b = c, then a = c.

That is, unless you were disagreeing with me in the first place about a lot of atheists' behaviour. If so, you didn't make that clear at all, and, since you quoted me without any objection to that, I naturally presumed that was agreed.


You described that behaviour, not me. And rational sense tells us that that behaviour is immature. I didnt call atheist immature I called the behaviour you yourself described



pizzahut451 said:
Immortal said:


Defensive? Dude, I'm not atheist - how would I be offended? Besides, I called that the behaviour of a lot of atheists and you called it immature. By one of the divine laws of the universe that we have learned to accept as common sense without any form of proof, if a = b and b = c, then a = c.

That is, unless you were disagreeing with me in the first place about a lot of atheists' behaviour. If so, you didn't make that clear at all, and, since you quoted me without any objection to that, I naturally presumed that was agreed.


You described that behaviour, not me. And rational sense tells us that that behaviour is immature. I didnt call atheist immature I called the behaviour you yourself described


Sorry, but you didn't make that clear. Considering you quoted me and didn't bother to point out that you disagreed with what I said, I assumed we were in agreement.

And I disagree. It seems too natural to be called immature. But that's entirely subjective.



 

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Religion is a belief system, it is something that people consciously (or unconsciously as it often happens) choose. Race, biological sex, sexual orientation are inborn traits. People don't choose them. It's not fair that a person should be demeaned because of them.

There's nothing wrong with believing in any religion, provided you don't try to negatively affect others. Christians try to negatively affect others. They try to pass laws based on their religion. They persecute homosexuals, on the basis that their religion says that sexual orientation is a choice (totally unfounded and debunket claim), and demean gays using words like "perverts", "unnatural", "mentally ill" etc. I know a certain Christian on this very site who's been harassing me these past days with some vile messages that I find nothing short of disgusting (comparing gays to babies born with 8 legs, and that's not even the worst of it). And therer's also how they treat women.

Beliefs like these should be challenged and they should be bashed. Individuals like these deserve no respect.

Hey, just in this very topic I saw some Christians bashing Islam, yet they have the nerve to moan about peopler criticising their beleifs. That's another thing against them.

If have nothing against Christians who respect others regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack of), sexual orientation etc., and they too should stand up against the biggots, least they'll be all lumped together.

Oh, and if you took that quote ("I've noticed Christians are hypocrites") from me, you've taken it out of context. I specifically said in what aspect I found them to be hypocrites.



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Doobie_wop said:

It's really easy. When a belief has the amount of influence that Christianity does and then the people who follow that belief spout stupid shit, pass stupid laws and are pretty much a fish hook that's dragging society back instead of allowing it progress, then it's really easy to find fault in the belief and critisize it, especially when someone elses belief effects the welfare of people who don't follow that belief. 

Christians are also the ones on the attack, when factual knowledge, progressive thought and non-christian values are brought into a discussion, they become extremely defensive and begin to reference their belief to prove their belief. You can't reference the Bible to prove Jesus is a real person, you can't reference the Bible to say the Earth is the centre of the Universe and you can't reference the Bible when making laws that prohibit same sex marriage, it'd be like referencing the Iliad to prove some point about the Trojan war.

A religion is also not a race, gender or sexual orientation, all those things aren't beliefs and the person has no control in the matter and also don't try to push those traits on to other people.To stay relevant, Christianity has to convert people, to do so, they also have to trick people into converting, convince their children from a young age to become Christians and pay their way into converting people that don't have the wealth, the knowledge or the desire to back back against it (it's the reason why travelling church groups freak me out, taking advantage of poorer countries, just so that they can push their religion on to others).

Then you have all the usual mumbo jumbo, Christianity promotes discrimination, more wars have been fought in the name of Christianity than any other non religous belief, backward thinking, pedophile priests, KKK, crazy Pope, spread of misinformation, reluctance to teach evolution in schools, ignorance, ridiculous amount of contradictions and hypocrisy, influence and Christians are usually hard to argue against, especially when they fall back on the 'It is what it is, because God says so' line.

That's my take anyway.

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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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sapphi_snake said:
Doobie_wop said:

It's really easy. When a belief has the amount of influence that Christianity does and then the people who follow that belief spout stupid shit, pass stupid laws and are pretty much a fish hook that's dragging society back instead of allowing it progress, then it's really easy to find fault in the belief and critisize it, especially when someone elses belief effects the welfare of people who don't follow that belief. 

Christians are also the ones on the attack, when factual knowledge, progressive thought and non-christian values are brought into a discussion, they become extremely defensive and begin to reference their belief to prove their belief. You can't reference the Bible to prove Jesus is a real person, you can't reference the Bible to say the Earth is the centre of the Universe and you can't reference the Bible when making laws that prohibit same sex marriage, it'd be like referencing the Iliad to prove some point about the Trojan war.

A religion is also not a race, gender or sexual orientation, all those things aren't beliefs and the person has no control in the matter and also don't try to push those traits on to other people.To stay relevant, Christianity has to convert people, to do so, they also have to trick people into converting, convince their children from a young age to become Christians and pay their way into converting people that don't have the wealth, the knowledge or the desire to fight back against it (it's the reason why travelling church groups freak me out, taking advantage of poorer countries, just so that they can push their religion on to others).

Then you have all the usual mumbo jumbo, Christianity promotes discrimination, more wars have been fought in the name of Christianity than any other non religous belief, backward thinking, pedophile priests, KKK, crazy Pope, spread of misinformation, reluctance to teach evolution in schools, ignorance, ridiculous amount of contradictions and hypocrisy, influence and Christians are usually hard to argue against, especially when they fall back on the 'It is what it is, because God says so' line.

That's my take anyway.

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I've been getting a lot of these 'Best post of the thread' posts lately, it's a shame no one else took notice, I also doubt anyone else bothered to read it.



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Doobie_wop said:
sapphi_snake said:
Doobie_wop said:

It's really easy. When a belief has the amount of influence that Christianity does and then the people who follow that belief spout stupid shit, pass stupid laws and are pretty much a fish hook that's dragging society back instead of allowing it progress, then it's really easy to find fault in the belief and critisize it, especially when someone elses belief effects the welfare of people who don't follow that belief. 

Christians are also the ones on the attack, when factual knowledge, progressive thought and non-christian values are brought into a discussion, they become extremely defensive and begin to reference their belief to prove their belief. You can't reference the Bible to prove Jesus is a real person, you can't reference the Bible to say the Earth is the centre of the Universe and you can't reference the Bible when making laws that prohibit same sex marriage, it'd be like referencing the Iliad to prove some point about the Trojan war.

A religion is also not a race, gender or sexual orientation, all those things aren't beliefs and the person has no control in the matter and also don't try to push those traits on to other people.To stay relevant, Christianity has to convert people, to do so, they also have to trick people into converting, convince their children from a young age to become Christians and pay their way into converting people that don't have the wealth, the knowledge or the desire to fight back against it (it's the reason why travelling church groups freak me out, taking advantage of poorer countries, just so that they can push their religion on to others).

Then you have all the usual mumbo jumbo, Christianity promotes discrimination, more wars have been fought in the name of Christianity than any other non religous belief, backward thinking, pedophile priests, KKK, crazy Pope, spread of misinformation, reluctance to teach evolution in schools, ignorance, ridiculous amount of contradictions and hypocrisy, influence and Christians are usually hard to argue against, especially when they fall back on the 'It is what it is, because God says so' line.

That's my take anyway.

Best post of the thread so far! 100

I've been getting a lot of these 'Best post of the thread' posts lately, it's a shame no one else took notice, I also doubt anyone else bothered to read it.

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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

There is a big difference between something like religion, and race. Religion, there is the possibility to have proper discussions about the subject. There is then the possibility that some people will get offended by perfectly reasonable discussion.

 

Whereas with race, there's not really much to discuss in the first place, so it doesn't come up as much. As many other people have stated, Christians form the majority of the English speaking world so I find it hard to believe you are all being picked on by a minority. There are many forms of discrimination that are much more serious.

 

Furthermore, the majority of 'discrimination' against Christians is not actual discrimination. If you believe that God caused the Big Bang, which set up the formation of the planets, which led to evolution and thus to the present day, there are very few people who would care enough to discriminate against you. 

 

Regardless of wether you are religious or not, if you believe the Earth is 6000 years old, or that the origin of life on Earth is anything other than evolution, you will be ridiculed. If I, an agnostic, were to believe these things, but attribute it to something other than the divine, I would still be ridiculed - hence it is not discrimination based on religion, it is discrimination based on believeing something that is not true.