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M.U.G.E.N on 11 February 2011
Immortal said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

oh trust me, ask anyone who visited Sony forums post-E3 last year..there were plenty of threads / posts on it :) Searching for threads on this site is hell if not I would have looked some up for you (seriously, I even predicted Tales of G F will come to the west when everyone said no, tried to find that thread for AGES :( ) but trust me, not making this up, it was utterly annoying...if you look above you can see even darth is agreeing to it...Patchy joined the doom and gloom way later, but he is an idiot and I expect no less of him..on ANY matter.

Like I said it may or may not happen...can go either way, completely ignoring the possibility makes no sense no does it?

and no, sony fans weren't happy about ps3 release like this..AT ALL. Most even jumped ship to other consoles. So far there has been absolutely nothing for fans to complain about. See I'm referring to fans and not fanboys. I think sony effed up ps3 launch big time...they could have done way better with psp too....but so far they have done many things right, heck even the few titles we know of, I predicted most of them :P (was more like a wishlist)

The reason why wii has such a huge lead over ps3 is simply because sony messed up with ps3, plain and simple. Again, keep an open mind about this, anything can happen, and I personally hope both do really well.

psp was not a failure, it doesn't have to beat DS and have the same success story of ps1/2 of beating Ninty to be considered a success. For sony it's a success, hence the NGP. And if you read dev interviews, there were quotes where they said how they made money off of psp as well, which should be obvious by the huge line of dev support NGP is getting 'already' ...I think it will be close 100 when it's all said and done (5bp just hinted about NGP as well btw)

And I 'personally' think Ninty are doing some mistakes with their device already..but getting into that cuz it will take us in a whole different direction so I don't want to get into it here

Well, I haven't been following many other forums, but that point is relatively irrelevant (xD) anyway. I'm not ignoring the possibility, but it's pointless to consider it when there is little reason for it. Also, I realize we actually jumped onto lots of irrelevant arguments here, :P.

Failure depends on the objective. A failure should generally be considered something that did not achieve its goal. Sony never outright stated "our goal is to crush Nintendo!", but they never said that they were just looking for a relatively profitable product with decent numbers either. Before its release, Sony may have seriously intended to take the handheld market as they had done the home console market with the PSP.

NGP may be getting a lot of support, but that was expected after the way developers held on to the PS3 despite the pain it gave them in 2007-8. Admittedly, NGP is doing a lot of things right, but, since this time 3DS is getting more support relatively than DS did the PSP, that says little about its ability to outsell the 3DS. And, just for the record, there's plenty that NGP's doing wrong as well, :P, but let's not go into that.

I respect your opinion, though. Never hurts to keep an open mind, :D.


Agree on the bolded, 100%. I think Sony did just fine, would they have liked to take over Ninty? Without a shred of doubt, success also doesn't mean reaching all your goals either. Again it must have done well enough for them to persue it to ngp.

On the contrary, given how Ninty have made mistakes in the past gens, should be enough to be open to the possibility 'imo'. Btw this applies to Sony as well

and no there were MANY who were saying Sony is done for on the 3rd party support front after seeing the 3ds line up, that's a fact and they are eating some hefty crow already. and NGP is getting way more support already than the psp at launch. Let's wait until the end of TGS to do a good comparison of the line ups.

But yes, I think NGP plus PS Suit is gonna surprise a lot of people. TIme will tell :)



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irstupid on 11 February 2011
Soleron said:

I mean best like the many games on the PS3/360 are vs. the Wii. The Wii gets inferior ports or spinoffs. Which of the two will companies decide is the 'spinoff' platform. As I said I doubt they'll get the same games or both have AAA main series games in parallel. One of them will be weaker due to being made by a B team.

This is about HANDHELDS.  Handhelds don't seem to EVER get the main series, they always are spinoffs.   Also this is a handheld discussion, so doesn't matter what Wii/PS3/360 get. besides you just said that 360/ps3 get the main games while wii gets spinoff, and who is winning in sales?  So do these so called games really sell the system?


One of them will be weaker. Their hardware is too different to make the same experience on both and fans will not be happy if there are equal-importance games split between them. Imagine MGS4 being on PS3 then MGS5 being a 360 exclusive.

Not sure why you brought this up.  Was never stating that the NGP and 3DS will get the same games.  And in regards to handhelds, it means nothing if a game is on PS3 and its spinoff is on 3DS or NGP.  NGP and 3DS are BOTH different systems.  This isn't like you get a PS3 and NGP in the same box or anything.  they are seperate and will be thought of as seperate.  You won't see riots if MGS5 is on PS3 and some MGS4.5 is on 3DS. 


Yes, Assassins Creed.

again why did you bring up assassins creed. its a mediocre game on home consoles, don't even bring up its handheld iterations. 

I don't like any of the games listed, nor are they system sellers alone, but if 3DS gets all of them while NGP gets few then there's not much chance for Sony. If NGP gets better installments they have a chance. The odds are stacked so 3DS is favoured due to first party anyway.

AND NOW to my point of my prior post that you seemed to miss.  The PSP and DS had NONE of those games you listed above's main series, except Dragon Quest.  So how can you make a judgement call saying that if they did, they would somehow sell a crap load.  There is no basis. 

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M.U.G.E.N on 11 February 2011
darthdevidem01 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
darthdevidem01 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out

Oh that was so hilarious post last E3.

I enjoyed it so much cus I was a PSP hater until 6 months ago trololol.

Anyway its clear now NGP will be anything but dead, Japan alone will prevent that.

yep post E3 was annoying for me tho :P but it brings some good laughs now

lol at least now you have it, you have seen the light

yep and tbh that's what matters if you are fan of the psp line..if NGP is looking to be anything but dead, it will have support..and devs are lining up one after another to say how easy it is to make games for it..and PS Suit is the other end of Sony's approach, this will ensure a steady stream of games for Android (think it supports other OS's too, not sure) plus NGP. I can't wait to get mine :D

oh and as Darth Kun knows, Kojima-sama aka GOD himself is supporting it! That's all we need to know

I think I remember you being pretty annoyed then, and even till the first leaked spec rumors of NGP started coming out that kinda silenced those vocal people.

I await Kojima-San's (we must call him san not sama...unless sama is more respectful!) game reveal for NGP, hopefully this E3. Oh and square-enix you know just do a UPGRADE port of Type-0 to it and I'll be getting NGP the day type 0 launches on it.

LOL yeah, and actually a lot of sony fans stopped posting in those times altogether as well, mainly doom and gloomers were making the threads and posting in them as well

and iirc Sama is more respectful...as in god like..if I'm not mistakes San is like Mr. or Mrs. while Sama is like Highness

yea I think it will be E3 for sure. and I think type-0 being on NGP for west is highly likely now...hopefully we will get more info on games and such at GDC which is coming soon



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darthdevidem01 on 11 February 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
darthdevidem01 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
darthdevidem01 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out

Oh that was so hilarious post last E3.

I enjoyed it so much cus I was a PSP hater until 6 months ago trololol.

Anyway its clear now NGP will be anything but dead, Japan alone will prevent that.

yep post E3 was annoying for me tho :P but it brings some good laughs now

lol at least now you have it, you have seen the light

yep and tbh that's what matters if you are fan of the psp line..if NGP is looking to be anything but dead, it will have support..and devs are lining up one after another to say how easy it is to make games for it..and PS Suit is the other end of Sony's approach, this will ensure a steady stream of games for Android (think it supports other OS's too, not sure) plus NGP. I can't wait to get mine :D

oh and as Darth Kun knows, Kojima-sama aka GOD himself is supporting it! That's all we need to know

I think I remember you being pretty annoyed then, and even till the first leaked spec rumors of NGP started coming out that kinda silenced those vocal people.

I await Kojima-San's (we must call him san not sama...unless sama is more respectful!) game reveal for NGP, hopefully this E3. Oh and square-enix you know just do a UPGRADE port of Type-0 to it and I'll be getting NGP the day type 0 launches on it.

LOL yeah, and actually a lot of sony fans stopped posting in those times altogether as well, mainly doom and gloomers were making the threads and posting in them as well

and iirc Sama is more respectful...as in god like..if I'm not mistakes San is like Mr. or Mrs. while Sama is like Highness

yea I think it will be E3 for sure. and I think type-0 being on NGP for west is highly likely now...hopefully we will get more info on games and such at GDC which is coming soon

I see.

Henceforth Kojima-San will be known as..... Kojima-Sama.



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jarrod on 11 February 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:The reason why wii has such a huge lead over ps3 is simply because sony messed up with ps3, plain and simple. 

Actually, it's because Nintendo put the more attractive product.  Literally the entirely industry was against them (publishers, developers, analysts, press) and they still literally pulled off the impossible almost single handedly.  Consumers chose Nintendo, and at the end of the day, consumers are still the single most important segment of this industry.

Sony fucking up had little to do with Nintendo's success; it's not like publishers and developers moved en masse to Wii in response... they just kept making PS3 games (ie: porting 360 games) instead.  It's not like analysts reversed their stances, hell "Wii Fad" almost became an annually repeated anthem.  The industry press didn't come around either, instead they just dug in are perpetuated the core/casual binary for all it was worth.  Despite being the fastest selling games system in history with unparalleled mass consumer adoption, Wii is still outwardly reviled by the more traditional sectors of the industry to this day.  Sony screwing up had almost no impact on Wii, some impact on 360 and a LOT of impact on PS3.

Nintendo screwing up on the other hand... well, let's just say if Nintendo had stuck a CD-ROM drive in N64, there probably wouldn't even be a PlayStation 2. ;)



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dunuck on 12 February 2011
jarrod said:
M.U.G.E.N said:The reason why wii has such a huge lead over ps3 is simply because sony messed up with ps3, plain and simple. 

 

Nintendo screwing up on the other hand... well, let's just say if Nintendo had stuck a CD-ROM drive in N64, there probably wouldn't even be a PlayStation 2. ;)

I had to sign in just becuase this was so unresitable to responfd to literally spekaing

 

Sony were partnering with Nintendo to make the PlayStation. At CES Sony announced that they were making the PlayStation with Nintendo. It was meant to be a add on for the SNES to accept CD'S and Sony was going to make a all in one console, but Sony would get profits from it. But Nintendo was talking to Philips behind Sony's back and after Sony talked at CES, Nintendo back stabbed Sony and announced thy aren't working with Sony hours later.

Ken kutaragi, the guy behind the PS1, went to Norio Ohga and told him about it. He told him that Sony should make their own console, and Norio Ohga said "DO IT"

They then created the PSX, but scraped it and waited for the competition. They then released the PS1.



theRepublic on 12 February 2011
RolStoppable said:
jarrod said:

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Nintendo screwing up on the other hand... well, let's just say if Nintendo had stuck a CD-ROM drive in N64, there probably wouldn't even be a PlayStation 2. ;)

Sure, if you believe that cartridges were the main culprit for Nintendo's demise, then it might just look that way. It's not like CDs really helped Sega at that time, now did they?

PS1 games were always $15 or more dollars cheaper than N64 gmes.  The whole reason came down to differences in manufacturing costs between cartriges and CDs.  That and Sony's head start into the market were huge advantages.

Take away the price advantage and that gen looks very different.  I think we still would have seen a PS2 though.



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theRepublic on 12 February 2011
dunuck said:

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I hate to burst your bubble, but virtually everyone here knows that, including the people you just quoted.  That's not the entirety of the story either.



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dahuman on 12 February 2011

If 3DS gets a new Monster Hunter in Japan, then the NGP will prolly be fucked globally, we'll see if Nintendo can pull that deal off.



ElGranCabeza on 12 February 2011

No it could not.