Where do people get this "GTA is an American series" bullcrap from when San Andreas on the PS2 sold nearly 7million?

If you want GTA that bad on the wii, play godfather. I personally found it a lot more captivating and well made than ANY of the GTAs. GTA4 from the trailer looks like a prettier version that just borrowed a lot of the concepts from godfather.

Honestly, there are a lot more, much better games out there than GTA.

 What? Are you thinking straight?  Manhunt 2 was brutally violent in ways that GTA never has been...which is saying a lot.  Sorry but you are way off base on this one.

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If Take-Two doesn't want to make money from the Wii's success then that is their problem.  Perhaps we need a petition to tell them how wrong they are. 

Personally I think they're fools if they don't put some sort of GTA on Wii. A PS2 compilation with good Wii controls (like Godfather) or a 'Stories' continuation of one of them or something. GTA has very broad appeal, once you get over the prostitutes and stuff being in it.

Anyway, Take's Two loss if they don't maybe some other smart developer will jump in. THQ with Saints Row perhaps. Or maybe not after Godfather's/Scarface sales...

Dude.... Take out the bundles and the first party games and where does that leave the Wii?

Exclude first party stuff from the attach rate and the Wii is aweful. 

Even if your royalty numbers were right, it is still cheaper to develop on 360 and you can sell your game for more money.

Cheaper? Bullshit. I agree that the 360 has the best attach rate, but those games do NOT cost less to develop. High end Wii games are estimated at less than half of what they would be on the 360. Developers are not disputing that.

The bundles? Okay, that takes away about 500,000 copies of Wii Sports, and 250,000 copies each of Forza and Marvel: UA. Gosh, Wii is still moving more software.

Take out the first party games? Okay, how about we take out all the games that cost 10 million or more to develop on other platforms, since that's what we're doing to the Wii library.

My point flew straight over your head, didn't it? Third parties aren't getting any returns on Wii because they aren't investing in Wii. Sometimes they get lucky with a casual title or a good port, but they can't really be deemed to be failing if they're barely even trying in the first place.

It will be a damned shame if Godfather's controls aren't used in some future game.   As for Scarface, I haven't played it yet.  I figured I'd wait till I beat some of the other games on my plate before I try that one. 

I'm really tired of hearing people make some division between first and third party.

The Wii is, by all accounts, a more casual system; casual players are the definition of people who have no loyalty to any specific company.  I think the whole notion of brand loyalty is already overdone, but it's especially worthless with people who never pay attention to video game ads or blogs or news or magazines. Here's a question: how many of you are hardcore music fans too? If you aren't, can you name what labels produce popular bands today? Fall Out Boy? Maroon 5? Justin Timberlake? I bet you can't. And guess what? That's how most people are with games. 

There is precisely one game produced by third parties on the Wii with a score over 90. One -- and it's a remake, the fourth remake in as many years, in fact. And yet, it's sold over 1 million copies and has already nearly triped -- tripled expectations. 

I mean this: I have no idea why people draw some magical line between third and first party games. Most people do not even know what Nintendo is: people I help at Toys R Us frequently don't even know Nintendo makes the SYSTEM, let alone which games they make. It's all a smokescreen to make it appear that Nintendo has some magical power over people, when in fact it's simply that Nintendo is outperforming everyone else and no one has any idea what to do about it.

Figure it out. There is way, way too much money being made on the Wii here. Let me repeat what I said in my last post: Nintendo is going to easily outprofit the rest of the video game industry combined. Easily. If third parties honestly can't figure out how to handle the Wii, it's their fault. Simple.