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Squilliam on 02 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:

All people see is the listing price, they are usually ignorant to how much it will cost them in the long run and don't even bother checking 

They certainly do check the list price and the ongoing costs. People pay what something is worth to them I.E. bottled water rather than what it costs I.E tap water. Americans are overly familiar with finance, finance leases and straight leases, if anything they would be less ignorant about such things than many other places in the world.



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Michael-5 on 02 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
Michael-5 said:

I looked over the 360 games on the link back above, none of them are arcade games. As for Timed exclusives, yea MechWarrior and Dead Island are likely to be timed exclusives, but they will still boost hardware sales respectfully. In the end, thats what were dabating. Still most of the titles named are either published by MS, or Kinect titles. At best only about 4 of the 360 titles will transfer over, and probably 1 PS3 title will transfer over too. Either way, it's still going to be close, whether the gap grows or shrink, it won't by much.

As for Map Packs for CoD, I don't think those are boosting sales in February. Most CoD gamers extreme enough to get a map pack probably bought CoD in the holiday season, or more likely years ago. I doubt a significant amount of people would buy a 360 just because a CoD Map pack came out, but not get the console when the game came out. At least 360 sales shouldn't be boosted over LBP2's hardware boost as LBP is one of Sony's biggest franchises.

It took me longer to beat Alan Wake then Heavy Rain. Heavy Rain I beat in 1 sit-through, Alan Wake I took two, but they were shorter. Both games were phenominal, so your point about Alan Wake not being "fresh" is just completly one sided. It's no different then Heavy Rain.

As for 2011 titles, the 360 is getting more new IP's, so again, your PS3 has a "fresher" lineup doesn't hold. It's just a one sided arguement.

You just like Sony games more, but that doesn't mean everyone shares your view. My three favorite IP's this generation happen to be Mass Effect, Gears, Forza, Metroid, and Smash Bros. Uncharted was good, but about on par with Halo if you ask me, and well I just prefer 360 titles.

PS3 and 360 run differently. PS3 has more processing power, but it's split up into multiple cores. So in the end it has a higher bus speed, but it requires more RAM to run the same engines as the 360. In the end PS3 can handle multiple object better (Hence GT5 has 16 cars, but Forza only has 8), draw distanes are further and blue ray disks hold more data so HD cinematics are easier to implement. At the same time textures and loading are faster on the 360, and high polygon objects run more smoothly. Push a 360, and the game won't run on PS3, push a PS3 and the game won't run on 360. Simply as that. They probably has issues with the loading because even on 360 it's glitchy.

By my count on that list has 5 games that can come out on ps3 3 of them which could happen before launch and the ps3 list doesn't have a single game that will transfer over all of them Sony owns or has ties to and again the majority of the 360 list isn't even going to be released in 2011, hell that gears kinect game has epic as the dev but they went multiplat that game isn't even going to come out I can't see more then half that list coming out this year most of them are TBA

Not the map packs, the ads for them, they see a modern warefare commercial and the xbox logo at the end, it's bumping 360 sales 

Heavy Rain did far better commercially then Alan Wake, it blew away expectations where Alan wake undersold, personally I think they are both average but Heavy Rain was more unique and again Sony has several exclusives it can match every exclusive that did decently on 360 and double it 

Again the majority of those games aren't going to come out in 2011, they seem like twisted metal and last guardian back in 2009, we know that they are in the making and we know a bit about them but they aren't anywhere close to release I count only 1 (codename kingdoms) new IP that is announced for 2011 and it looks like it could be delayed too, when the end of the years come ps3 will have more new IPs on the market and far more exclusives

Thats 5 learn to count and 3 aren't new IPs this gen losing more credibility here 

Like I said unless it was very badly programmed which it seems to have been if the 360 version is glitch ridden, the game was a failure by pretty much any definition, it wasn't worth their effort to port it because it did so badly, I don't see how thats an advantage for 360 honestly  

 

EDIT: just found a far more in-depth list of 2011 ps3 exclusives 

http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Dragun619/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=514597

Granted many of those won't make it out by the end of the year and it includes pc/ps3 games, but hey it's the same for your 360 list 

Oh you insulted Alan Wake as not being "fresh" but didn't say anything about Heavy Rain, I think your the one loosing credibility when your rely on "freshness" as an arguement.

Those 5 360 titles that will get ported, what are they? You can't just assume every 3rd party game will get ported because thats just not true. That entire list of games given for 360 was 2011 titles, except for maybe Huxley. Just accept it, 360 has a good variety of exclusives.

As for this map pack boost, sorry bro, LBP2 is getting advertized to hell too. CoD is an old game, a big game, but an old one. It's not pushing that many units, not as much as LBP2, and 360 is still ahead.

The only significant difference between Alan Wake and Heavy Rain was that Heavy Rain was much more strongly advertized, whe MS kind of ignored Alan Wake. They are also different genres. It's just funny that you critisize Alan Wake, but don't mention Heavy Rain at all. Why are you targeting 360 games over PS3?

The Last Guardian was suppose to come out August 2010, but it got delayed only 1 month before launch. Gears of War Exile may not come out in 2010, but judging from how often PS3 games get delayed, it may have a better chance then Resistance 3, lol.

What's 5? Site your arguement.

As for the Last Remnant, clearly you haven't played it, or at least not much. It's not "glitch ridden", it's far less glitchy then Fallout: New Vegas. It's just one of those games thats programed to run on the 360, and simply unportable to the PS3 due to the way it was desgined. It's not poor design, the game will actually run very well on high end PC's, it's just outside the PS3's unique processing power.

As for the list you provided, many of those games are not PS3 exclusive. Record of Agarest War 2, No More Hero's Paradise, Portal 2, Dynasty Warriors 7, Mortal Kombat, Dead Space 2, Kingdom Under Fire 2 are also coming out to the 360. Games like Sniper: Ghost Warrior and Mass Effect 2 are old 360 ports, and half the PSN games listed are by no means PS3 exclusives. 14 of those exclusive titles are JPRG's which either are not being released outside of Japan (most of these aren't), or not comming out until 2012, and even in Japan, I don't think FFXIII Versus will be released until 2011. 360 also has JRPG exclusives not released outside of Japan too you know, how did you find an article like this? I would like to know about all the niche 360 exclusives comming out that I've never heard of.

Still a good article, really lists everything even remotly exclusive for the PS3.

Anyway if you can, find a 360 article like that, but for now I'm tired of arguing. Lets just agree that we disagree and move on.



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abhiram_33 on 02 February 2011

i think it will decrease because of the line-up the PS3 has



bannedagain on 02 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:

Alan Wake is on the verge of a million and was a great game. No where near to average and I bet you never looked into Alan Wake more then reading or Screen scans to the game. Alan Wake IS by far one of the best horrow games besides Dead space.

The word biased comes to mind. Yes, thats exactly what comes to mind.

It had a ton of hype and more advertising then most games and still hasn't cracked a million, it was a commercial failure, and shinning a flashlight and shooting at the same enemies over and over isn't exactly revolutionary, and there isn't exactly a lot of competition in horror, the game wasn't as good as it should of been, it's decent for sure, but it's just underwhelming, I own mostly ps3 exclusives so maybe I'm just used to higher quality games

Yea thats why your higher quality games barely sell  more then Alan Wake and the flashlight was accompanied by guns, flash grenades and a awesome plot. It's obvious that your biased and from the way your talking you never played Alan Wake. Enemies varied as well. From tracktors, to bigger characters, to small enemies. To crazy docters, vetenarians, cars, farm Equipment and all sorts of different objects that turn against you. So there goes your logic and most games have only so many enemies. Which in this case, it was varied.  Anyone who played this game has normally rated it over  9.

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Alan Wake (X360)
Microsoft
37 16,961 936,307

Alan Wake is at 936,307, If you count digital downloads, Which VGChartz doesn't, Alan Wake is well over 1 million.

It didn't have barely any advertising. I'm done talking to you. Your biased points of view are purely always geared towards your favorite console, no matter the quality.



DarkintheLight on 02 February 2011
Squilliam said:
DarkintheLight said:

All people see is the listing price, they are usually ignorant to how much it will cost them in the long run and don't even bother checking 

They certainly do check the list price and the ongoing costs. People pay what something is worth to them I.E. bottled water rather than what it costs I.E tap water. Americans are overly familiar with finance, finance leases and straight leases, if anything they would be less ignorant about such things than many other places in the world.

tap water is better flitered then bottle water, people will pay something if they think it's worth it they don't check to see if it is and the list price is the only thing people check, if you have a lower listing price you will sell more even if the other guy costs more in the long run



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DarkintheLight on 02 February 2011
Michael-5 said:
DarkintheLight said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I looked over the 360 games on the link back above, none of them are arcade games. As for Timed exclusives, yea MechWarrior and Dead Island are likely to be timed exclusives, but they will still boost hardware sales respectfully. In the end, thats what were dabating. Still most of the titles named are either published by MS, or Kinect titles. At best only about 4 of the 360 titles will transfer over, and probably 1 PS3 title will transfer over too. Either way, it's still going to be close, whether the gap grows or shrink, it won't by much.

As for Map Packs for CoD, I don't think those are boosting sales in February. Most CoD gamers extreme enough to get a map pack probably bought CoD in the holiday season, or more likely years ago. I doubt a significant amount of people would buy a 360 just because a CoD Map pack came out, but not get the console when the game came out. At least 360 sales shouldn't be boosted over LBP2's hardware boost as LBP is one of Sony's biggest franchises.

It took me longer to beat Alan Wake then Heavy Rain. Heavy Rain I beat in 1 sit-through, Alan Wake I took two, but they were shorter. Both games were phenominal, so your point about Alan Wake not being "fresh" is just completly one sided. It's no different then Heavy Rain.

As for 2011 titles, the 360 is getting more new IP's, so again, your PS3 has a "fresher" lineup doesn't hold. It's just a one sided arguement.

You just like Sony games more, but that doesn't mean everyone shares your view. My three favorite IP's this generation happen to be Mass Effect, Gears, Forza, Metroid, and Smash Bros. Uncharted was good, but about on par with Halo if you ask me, and well I just prefer 360 titles.

PS3 and 360 run differently. PS3 has more processing power, but it's split up into multiple cores. So in the end it has a higher bus speed, but it requires more RAM to run the same engines as the 360. In the end PS3 can handle multiple object better (Hence GT5 has 16 cars, but Forza only has 8), draw distanes are further and blue ray disks hold more data so HD cinematics are easier to implement. At the same time textures and loading are faster on the 360, and high polygon objects run more smoothly. Push a 360, and the game won't run on PS3, push a PS3 and the game won't run on 360. Simply as that. They probably has issues with the loading because even on 360 it's glitchy.

By my count on that list has 5 games that can come out on ps3 3 of them which could happen before launch and the ps3 list doesn't have a single game that will transfer over all of them Sony owns or has ties to and again the majority of the 360 list isn't even going to be released in 2011, hell that gears kinect game has epic as the dev but they went multiplat that game isn't even going to come out I can't see more then half that list coming out this year most of them are TBA

Not the map packs, the ads for them, they see a modern warefare commercial and the xbox logo at the end, it's bumping 360 sales 

Heavy Rain did far better commercially then Alan Wake, it blew away expectations where Alan wake undersold, personally I think they are both average but Heavy Rain was more unique and again Sony has several exclusives it can match every exclusive that did decently on 360 and double it 

Again the majority of those games aren't going to come out in 2011, they seem like twisted metal and last guardian back in 2009, we know that they are in the making and we know a bit about them but they aren't anywhere close to release I count only 1 (codename kingdoms) new IP that is announced for 2011 and it looks like it could be delayed too, when the end of the years come ps3 will have more new IPs on the market and far more exclusives

Thats 5 learn to count and 3 aren't new IPs this gen losing more credibility here 

Like I said unless it was very badly programmed which it seems to have been if the 360 version is glitch ridden, the game was a failure by pretty much any definition, it wasn't worth their effort to port it because it did so badly, I don't see how thats an advantage for 360 honestly  

 

EDIT: just found a far more in-depth list of 2011 ps3 exclusives 

http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Dragun619/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=514597

Granted many of those won't make it out by the end of the year and it includes pc/ps3 games, but hey it's the same for your 360 list 

Oh you insulted Alan Wake as not being "fresh" but didn't say anything about Heavy Rain, I think your the one loosing credibility when your rely on "freshness" as an arguement.

Those 5 360 titles that will get ported, what are they? You can't just assume every 3rd party game will get ported because thats just not true. That entire list of games given for 360 was 2011 titles, except for maybe Huxley. Just accept it, 360 has a good variety of exclusives.

As for this map pack boost, sorry bro, LBP2 is getting advertized to hell too. CoD is an old game, a big game, but an old one. It's not pushing that many units, not as much as LBP2, and 360 is still ahead.

The only significant difference between Alan Wake and Heavy Rain was that Heavy Rain was much more strongly advertized, whe MS kind of ignored Alan Wake. They are also different genres. It's just funny that you critisize Alan Wake, but don't mention Heavy Rain at all. Why are you targeting 360 games over PS3?

The Last Guardian was suppose to come out August 2010, but it got delayed only 1 month before launch. Gears of War Exile may not come out in 2010, but judging from how often PS3 games get delayed, it may have a better chance then Resistance 3, lol.

What's 5? Site your arguement.

As for the Last Remnant, clearly you haven't played it, or at least not much. It's not "glitch ridden", it's far less glitchy then Fallout: New Vegas. It's just one of those games thats programed to run on the 360, and simply unportable to the PS3 due to the way it was desgined. It's not poor design, the game will actually run very well on high end PC's, it's just outside the PS3's unique processing power.

As for the list you provided, many of those games are not PS3 exclusive. Record of Agarest War 2, No More Hero's Paradise, Portal 2, Dynasty Warriors 7, Mortal Kombat, Dead Space 2, Kingdom Under Fire 2 are also coming out to the 360. Games like Sniper: Ghost Warrior and Mass Effect 2 are old 360 ports, and half the PSN games listed are by no means PS3 exclusives. 14 of those exclusive titles are JPRG's which either are not being released outside of Japan (most of these aren't), or not comming out until 2012, and even in Japan, I don't think FFXIII Versus will be released until 2011. 360 also has JRPG exclusives not released outside of Japan too you know, how did you find an article like this? I would like to know about all the niche 360 exclusives comming out that I've never heard of.

Still a good article, really lists everything even remotly exclusive for the PS3.

Anyway if you can, find a 360 article like that, but for now I'm tired of arguing. Lets just agree that we disagree and move on.

I never said Alan Wake wasn't fresh just not that good and I never said they would I said could and you're one to talk assuming all those games will come out in 2011 when some aren't even confirmed to be in development, the majority of the list is TBA not 2011

Not the map pack the ads, seriously how many times do I have to say it, an extremely popular game with a ton of ads with only one console logo at the end will boost said console 

The reason I'm targeting 360 games over ps3 is because those are 360s best and heavy rain to me is on the bottom half by far I agree with you that heavy rain isn't any better then alan wake but there are tons of better ps3 exclusives, not so much for 360

Gears of war exile isn't even confirmed to be in development. Your examples, you said your 3 favorite you mentioned 5 and unportable and not worth the effort because of how badly it did are two very different things

You clearly missed the headers like Notable 2011 Multiplatform Games that Feature Bonus Content, pretty much everygame you listed was under a multiplat header, and I admitted several games might not come out in 2011 on that list, just like alot of games on your 360 list won't and all the psn games are ps3 exclusive, why do you think they aren't? And I doubt I'll find one like that for 360 I found that out of a total fluke, the list you provided it's pretty much the exact same for 360 maybe minus a few jap games but 360 hasn't had a 3rd party jap game in awhile 



DarkintheLight on 02 February 2011
bannedagain said:
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:

Alan Wake is on the verge of a million and was a great game. No where near to average and I bet you never looked into Alan Wake more then reading or Screen scans to the game. Alan Wake IS by far one of the best horrow games besides Dead space.

The word biased comes to mind. Yes, thats exactly what comes to mind.

It had a ton of hype and more advertising then most games and still hasn't cracked a million, it was a commercial failure, and shinning a flashlight and shooting at the same enemies over and over isn't exactly revolutionary, and there isn't exactly a lot of competition in horror, the game wasn't as good as it should of been, it's decent for sure, but it's just underwhelming, I own mostly ps3 exclusives so maybe I'm just used to higher quality games

Yea thats why your higher quality games barely sell  more then Alan Wake and the flashlight was accompanied by guns, flash grenades and a awesome plot. It's obvious that your biased and from the way your talking you never played Alan Wake. Enemies varied as well. From tracktors, to bigger characters, to small enemies. To crazy docters, vetenarians, cars, farm Equipment and all sorts of different objects that turn against you. So there goes your logic and most games have only so many enemies. Which in this case, it was varied.  Anyone who played this game has normally rated it over  9.

81
Alan Wake (X360)
Microsoft
37 16,961 936,307

Alan Wake is at 936,307, If you count digital downloads, Which VGChartz doesn't, Alan Wake is well over 1 million.

It didn't have barely any advertising. I'm done talking to you. Your biased points of view are purely always geared towards your favorite console, no matter the quality.

Heavy Rain is a entirely different genre then any other game this gen, Alan Wake is a shooter with a weird (and not that great) story, it's just not that good, it's okay it's about the same as heavy rain but not as unique so I don't know it's just this would be padding for an exclusive for ps3 and its one of the most mentioned 360 ones just because of 360s lack of 



bannedagain on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:

Alan Wake is on the verge of a million and was a great game. No where near to average and I bet you never looked into Alan Wake more then reading or Screen scans to the game. Alan Wake IS by far one of the best horrow games besides Dead space.

The word biased comes to mind. Yes, thats exactly what comes to mind.

It had a ton of hype and more advertising then most games and still hasn't cracked a million, it was a commercial failure, and shinning a flashlight and shooting at the same enemies over and over isn't exactly revolutionary, and there isn't exactly a lot of competition in horror, the game wasn't as good as it should of been, it's decent for sure, but it's just underwhelming, I own mostly ps3 exclusives so maybe I'm just used to higher quality games

Yea thats why your higher quality games barely sell  more then Alan Wake and the flashlight was accompanied by guns, flash grenades and a awesome plot. It's obvious that your biased and from the way your talking you never played Alan Wake. Enemies varied as well. From tracktors, to bigger characters, to small enemies. To crazy docters, vetenarians, cars, farm Equipment and all sorts of different objects that turn against you. So there goes your logic and most games have only so many enemies. Which in this case, it was varied.  Anyone who played this game has normally rated it over  9.

81
Alan Wake (X360)
Microsoft
37 16,961 936,307

Alan Wake is at 936,307, If you count digital downloads, Which VGChartz doesn't, Alan Wake is well over 1 million.

It didn't have barely any advertising. I'm done talking to you. Your biased points of view are purely always geared towards your favorite console, no matter the quality.

Heavy Rain is a entirely different genre then any other game this gen, Alan Wake is a shooter with a weird (and not that great) story, it's just not that good, it's okay it's about the same as heavy rain but not as unique so I don't know it's just this would be padding for an exclusive for ps3 and its one of the most mentioned 360 ones just because of 360s lack of 

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

ALAN WAKE IS ONE OF THE BEST GAMES IN THIS GENERATION. 

YOU NEVER PLAYED THE GAME SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.  YOU HATE XBOX 360 AND WON'T PLAY ANYTHING 360 . SO DON'T ACT LIKE YOU PLAYED ANY GAME OUTSIDE OF YOUR SYSTEM OF CHOICE.



DarkintheLight on 03 February 2011
bannedagain said:
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:
DarkintheLight said:
bannedagain said:

Alan Wake is on the verge of a million and was a great game. No where near to average and I bet you never looked into Alan Wake more then reading or Screen scans to the game. Alan Wake IS by far one of the best horrow games besides Dead space.

The word biased comes to mind. Yes, thats exactly what comes to mind.

It had a ton of hype and more advertising then most games and still hasn't cracked a million, it was a commercial failure, and shinning a flashlight and shooting at the same enemies over and over isn't exactly revolutionary, and there isn't exactly a lot of competition in horror, the game wasn't as good as it should of been, it's decent for sure, but it's just underwhelming, I own mostly ps3 exclusives so maybe I'm just used to higher quality games

Yea thats why your higher quality games barely sell  more then Alan Wake and the flashlight was accompanied by guns, flash grenades and a awesome plot. It's obvious that your biased and from the way your talking you never played Alan Wake. Enemies varied as well. From tracktors, to bigger characters, to small enemies. To crazy docters, vetenarians, cars, farm Equipment and all sorts of different objects that turn against you. So there goes your logic and most games have only so many enemies. Which in this case, it was varied.  Anyone who played this game has normally rated it over  9.

81
Alan Wake (X360)
Microsoft
37 16,961 936,307

Alan Wake is at 936,307, If you count digital downloads, Which VGChartz doesn't, Alan Wake is well over 1 million.

It didn't have barely any advertising. I'm done talking to you. Your biased points of view are purely always geared towards your favorite console, no matter the quality.

Heavy Rain is a entirely different genre then any other game this gen, Alan Wake is a shooter with a weird (and not that great) story, it's just not that good, it's okay it's about the same as heavy rain but not as unique so I don't know it's just this would be padding for an exclusive for ps3 and its one of the most mentioned 360 ones just because of 360s lack of 

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

ALAN WAKE IS ONE OF THE BEST GAMES IN THIS GENERATION. 

YOU NEVER PLAYED THE GAME SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.  YOU HATE XBOX 360 AND WON'T PLAY ANYTHING 360 . SO DON'T ACT LIKE YOU PLAYED ANY GAME OUTSIDE OF YOUR SYSTEM OF CHOICE.

lol Alan Wake one of the best games this gen lol, maybe MAYBE in a list of like 100 



Michael-5 on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
Michael-5 said:

Oh you insulted Alan Wake as not being "fresh" but didn't say anything about Heavy Rain, I think your the one loosing credibility when your rely on "freshness" as an arguement.

Those 5 360 titles that will get ported, what are they? You can't just assume every 3rd party game will get ported because thats just not true. That entire list of games given for 360 was 2011 titles, except for maybe Huxley. Just accept it, 360 has a good variety of exclusives.

As for this map pack boost, sorry bro, LBP2 is getting advertized to hell too. CoD is an old game, a big game, but an old one. It's not pushing that many units, not as much as LBP2, and 360 is still ahead.

The only significant difference between Alan Wake and Heavy Rain was that Heavy Rain was much more strongly advertized, whe MS kind of ignored Alan Wake. They are also different genres. It's just funny that you critisize Alan Wake, but don't mention Heavy Rain at all. Why are you targeting 360 games over PS3?

The Last Guardian was suppose to come out August 2010, but it got delayed only 1 month before launch. Gears of War Exile may not come out in 2010, but judging from how often PS3 games get delayed, it may have a better chance then Resistance 3, lol.

What's 5? Site your arguement.

As for the Last Remnant, clearly you haven't played it, or at least not much. It's not "glitch ridden", it's far less glitchy then Fallout: New Vegas. It's just one of those games thats programed to run on the 360, and simply unportable to the PS3 due to the way it was desgined. It's not poor design, the game will actually run very well on high end PC's, it's just outside the PS3's unique processing power.

As for the list you provided, many of those games are not PS3 exclusive. Record of Agarest War 2, No More Hero's Paradise, Portal 2, Dynasty Warriors 7, Mortal Kombat, Dead Space 2, Kingdom Under Fire 2 are also coming out to the 360. Games like Sniper: Ghost Warrior and Mass Effect 2 are old 360 ports, and half the PSN games listed are by no means PS3 exclusives. 14 of those exclusive titles are JPRG's which either are not being released outside of Japan (most of these aren't), or not comming out until 2012, and even in Japan, I don't think FFXIII Versus will be released until 2011. 360 also has JRPG exclusives not released outside of Japan too you know, how did you find an article like this? I would like to know about all the niche 360 exclusives comming out that I've never heard of.

Still a good article, really lists everything even remotly exclusive for the PS3.

Anyway if you can, find a 360 article like that, but for now I'm tired of arguing. Lets just agree that we disagree and move on.

I never said Alan Wake wasn't fresh just not that good and I never said they would I said could and you're one to talk assuming all those games will come out in 2011 when some aren't even confirmed to be in development, the majority of the list is TBA not 2011

Not the map pack the ads, seriously how many times do I have to say it, an extremely popular game with a ton of ads with only one console logo at the end will boost said console 

The reason I'm targeting 360 games over ps3 is because those are 360s best and heavy rain to me is on the bottom half by far I agree with you that heavy rain isn't any better then alan wake but there are tons of better ps3 exclusives, not so much for 360

Gears of war exile isn't even confirmed to be in development. Your examples, you said your 3 favorite you mentioned 5 and unportable and not worth the effort because of how badly it did are two very different things

You clearly missed the headers like Notable 2011 Multiplatform Games that Feature Bonus Content, pretty much everygame you listed was under a multiplat header, and I admitted several games might not come out in 2011 on that list, just like alot of games on your 360 list won't and all the psn games are ps3 exclusive, why do you think they aren't? And I doubt I'll find one like that for 360 I found that out of a total fluke, the list you provided it's pretty much the exact same for 360 maybe minus a few jap games but 360 hasn't had a 3rd party jap game in awhile 

You said "Sony actually has other games coming out it's a non-issue same can't be said for 360, Alan Wake didn't even manage a million and was very much a long afternoon one time playthrough game, nothing wrong with that but the word average comes to mind."

Which a fine opinion about Alan Wake, you don't have to like it. However you were comparing PS3's exclusive lineup with 360's praising PS3's lineup, and critisizing 360's when Alan Wake is in reality a lot like Heavy Rain. Why target Alan Wake as a bland 360 game, but praise PS3 when it has similar exclusive? Seems a bit one sided if you ask me.

As for the map pack arguement. You know what, neither you nor I really know exactly how big of a factor Map packs for CoD advertizing or LBP2 really are. Let's just agree that they both boost sales and at least for now PS3/360 games will sell similar quantities.

I've reviewed what you said, and you've made some very valid points. PS3 is also performing a lot better in the EMEAA region then I expected. I'm willing to admit that PS3 and 360 should sell on par for the next few months. Early January 360 did have shortages, thats why PS3 suddenly started to outsell the 360, but as we see now, demand is now being met, and both are selling on par.

Let's wait and see what happens, until E3, I can't imagine the gap growing or shiking by a considerable amount. It all depends on E3, and what comes out this fall. We really don't know whats going to happen post E3. There are rumors of exclusives on both sides, rumors of games going multiplatform, rumors of varios Kinect titles and price drops. All we can do is wait.

As for targeting 360 games, Heavy Rain was actually my favorite PS3 game last year along with Gran Turismo 5. I'm not a fan of God of War, and sorry buddy Heavy Rain was better then a lot of PS3's 2010 games. Other then the big 3 (GT5, GoW3, HR), PS3 largly has a low end game lineup. MAG, Mod Nation Racers, Yakuza 3, White Knight Chronicles... Please stop mocking Alan Wake, it's a very one sided arguement. It's fine that you might not be a big fan of 360 games, thats probably why you own a PS3 (I'm assuming you do), but don't critisize them when their ratings are 9/10.

OHH okay, I did write my three favorite, but I edited that later to include a couple Wii games I'm really fond of. That was me failing to edit properly. However I also want to add GT to that list, it's pretty awesome.

As for your list. Record of Agarest War 2 is listed as a PS3 exclusive, and it's not. Games that feature bonus content - Mass Effect 2 has a comic strip which recaps the events in Mass Effect 1, poorly. Thats not exactly Bonus content because 360 has the game Mass Effect. Dead Space 2 has some unique weapons for both consoles, it's just a suit and both consoles have different ones, so that shouldn't have been mentioned. Sniper 2 is a port, Portal 2 is the same on both PS3 and 360, Dynasty Warriors 7 is available in 3D on both the 360 and PS3 , Kingdom Under Fire 2 actually has bonus content for the 360 version, I haven't heard anything about PS3 exclusive content, but it may just be another Dead Space 2 situation again. Of the Notable 2011 games that feature Bonus feature column, only really Kratos in Mortal Kombat counts, and Move support for Dynasty Warriors and No More Heros. I noticed the section, but I assumed they would make a console exclusive character for the 360 version of Mortal Kombat as well, and Move support...well I guess that makes No More Heros 2 different, but I'm not sure about Dynasty Warriors.

Please stop refering to the link I gave as my 360 list. I didn't make it, and I added to both the 360 and PS3 side of that list. On that link, on both the PS3 and 360 there were some titles that may not be released in 2011, and It even listed Starhawk as a PS3 exclusive, when it's only rumored to be one.

As for PSN games, Oddworld is not PSN exclusive, and to be honest, I don't care much for arcade games. XBL will have just as many exclusives, and maybe another super quality title like Limbo or Shadow Complex.

As for a good 360 list, I briefly looked on Wikipedia, and 360 gets a few good Jap RPGs. Not as many as PS3, but it's unusual because often times these JRPG exclusives don't make it over sea and well 360 in Japan isn't really big. However most of these PS# JRPG's don't make it over either. If they did then PS3 would be awesome, but JRPG's won't attract new gamers at this point, most people into those already got a PS3 when Demon Souls came out.

Just looking up 360 Kinect games for 2011 there are 28 confirmed titles for 2011, About 5 of which come out on PS3: Star (Feb 11th), Dance Paradise (Feb-US, Nov-EU), Dance on Broadway (Wii Port-March), Fantastic Pets (March), Child of Eden (Enhanced by Kinect - March), Winter Sports 3 (Wii Port I think - March), Brunwsick Pro Bowling (Wii Port-March), Get Fit with Mel B (March-US, Nov-EU), UFC Personal Trainer (April), Carnival Games: Monkey See, Monkey Do (April), Michael Jackson (April-Wii Port), Brain and Body Connection (Feb-US, Nov-Eu), Kinectalloons (June/May), Michael Phelps: Push Limits (June), Mel B Dance (Q2), Virtua Tennis 4(So this is not a PS3 exclusive like on your list), Forza 4 (fall), Rise of Nightmares(Nov), Codename D (Fall 2011), Grease (Fall), The Gun Stringer (Fall-XBL), Kinect Haunt (Fall), Showtime (Fall), Spongebob (Fall), Star Wars Kinect (Fall), Steel Batallion: Heavy Armor (fall), Youstar 2: In the movies

BTW MS is publishing Kinectalloons, Kinect Haunt, Project Draco, and Forza for 2011.

I know most of those games are shovelware, but how many Move titles does PS3 have? 2 pure Move games (Ratchet, and Move Heros), and maybe 5-10 Move capable games?

Thats for 2011, for 2012 there is still Dance Central 2, Grand Slam Tennis, Imagine Fashion Party, Kinect Disney, and Sesame Street coming out, and as for rumored games there is Gears of War, Halo, Alan Wake 2 (Kinect supported, not exclusive), May Payne (Kinect supported, not exclusive), an exclusive Kinect Snowboarding game like SSX, and supposedly MS is working on 3 other Kinect titles, and THQ is making something exclusive too.

So there on a gamefront, 360 has a lot of software, just it's a lot for Kinect. So If Kinect does well this fall, I think the 360-PS3 gap could still grow, but not by too much.



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