Problem with this kind of opinion is that it is incredibly naive. I was saying the same thing during the PS2 era when Sony was pushing the best selling console in the history of video games.

A bit of a history lesson, between the PS1 and PS2, Sony has sold more consoles on just 2 systems than Nintendo has sold between the NES and Gamecube. Let me quote myself,

"3. Sony with Playstation and Playstation 2 has sold more units on 2 consoles than Nintendo sold entirely between the NES and Gamecube. 248.9 million  = Playstation and Playstation 2 vs. 165.65 million = NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube. Absolutely fascinating."

Source: "History of Home Consoles From Magnavox Odyssey On" at http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=119548

If you want to throw in the Wii and PS3 numbers, then the numbers get a little bit tighter at 291.7 million consoles Sony has sold with the PS1, PS2, and PS3 vs. 243.85 million consoles for Nintendo with the NES, SNES, Gamecube, and Wii.

We can argue numbers all day and you are right speaking only of this generation, but  wrong when we take a longitudinal look of console numbers. I will give you Nintendo owning the hand-held genre automatically as it is no contest.

As for "them" knowing better, yes they do when it comes to the values gamers hold in the Western market. Nintendo got lucky with the Wii, they won't be so lucky next generation as there are no more gimmicks to pull out of the hat because Microsoft pulled off the ultimate gimmick with Kinect.

Next generation the Blue Ocean will have many shades of red because there will be no new Blue Ocean unless Nintendo can sell games to dead people.

Yes, I am right when we only speak of this generation, and that's what the OP is about. I understand in the long run there might be a difference, but this is a different topic.

As for Sony with PS1 and PS2, I think they did everything right with those 2 consoles, that's why they are such a big success.

In this generation, Nintendo just did (probably almost) everything right. They sell loads of their consoles at profit. What could they have done better? I can't think of anything. And I really hope nobody says it would have sold better with HD graphics, because it most certainly wouldn't have. It would probably have sold less because of a higher price. Let's face it, in the end, the majority of people buys when the price is right. The hardcore fans buying at ANY price are negligible in the end.

All of us talking here are negligible because if you have such a love for video games that you register on a website and go into their forums, then you are hardcore. We are not the legions of casuals who Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony want to sell to in order to expand upon their market share.

I only contended with you because of the short-sighted perspective many people, including myself, have held when it comes to one generation compared to the past. If Sony is on top next generation, we will see them crowing about the PS4 as if the PS3 never happened. Right now, Nintendo users crow about the Wii as if the Gamecube and N64 never happened. I have a guttural, instinctual aversion to this shortsightedness.

I apologize if I came off too strong. I don't mean any harm and I scare myself more than anything because I do care how I treat others because I expect to be treated the same way. You are the bigger person here because you have relented in slamming me.

As for Wii HD, I think it would have been negligible at best. What sells the Wii is the software which caters to Nintendo's core and the Blue Ocean. Sony and Microsoft are just finding the Blue Ocean after spending the greater part of this generation engulfed in a Red Ocean over the "hardcore" gamer, whatever that means.

Because HD tvs attachment weren't not even 50% of the population (at the time, I don't have idea now, and problably only in the US), so they couldn't ignore this more than half of the population.

@Killiana1a

No problem, man, no offense taken. I also understand what you're trying to say.

i seriously like to see these fuckers run the Business, they will put it through the ground.

"because Microsoft pulled off the ultimate gimmick with Kinect."

You still think the Wii sold on a gimmick? And by gimmick you seem to mean some novelty controller. It did not. The games sold the Wii. The controller was just a way to make some of them work.

What Nintendo didn't do with Wii (and DS really) that they should have is exacty what they're now doing with 3DS (and likely Wii 2); court major 3rd party support, and early on to build a sustainable marketplace for them.

Nintendo might be slow to act sometimes, but they always seem to lean from their mistakes.

The sales of games like Wii Fit Plus and Wii Sports Resort show that the expanded audience is actively looking for more games that match the direction that the Wii originally took. Most of the games that have sold over a million on the Wii are in some way copying Wii Sports, Wii Play, or Wii Fit. There are very few "core" games that have sold over 1 million.

The problem is that 3rd parties think they can just dump motion-controlled shovelware on the expanded audience and that they'll be too dumb to notice. (game party, deca sports, etc.) This is why the attach rate is slightly lower than normal. People are being very cautious because the library of the Wii is a sea of shovel-ware.

But let's just get one thing straight: THE WII IS NOT A FAD.

It's been four years and the Wii has sold out every holiday. Up until last summer it regularly trounced the HD consoles combined. Only now, after the HD consoles have finally copied Nintendo, are they starting to actually compete.

Anybody who is still saying "Wii is a fad" has their head buried in the sand. Fads go away. Motion gaming is here to stay.

@Killana1a  preach, man. Preach!!! im pretty sure half these Ninty fans didnt even have a GC.

@manuel  Ninty could have had a much better online experience