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psrock on 10 December 2010
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


Come on man, you have been here long enough. 



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Michael-5 on 10 December 2010
Notorius.A.i.G said:
Michael-5 said:
Darth Tigris said:
ethomaz said:
aznable said:

no1 is considering that gt4 have been released in february/march and gt5 in november?

no2 is considering the user base?

That's not really the same.  User base has proven to not matter much when it comes to sales, particularly this gen (see MGS3 vs MGS4, GoW2 vs GoW3, GeoW vs GeoW2, etc).

But releasing a big game during the holiday season vs late winter/early spring DOES matter.  A huge holiday release will always have larger initial sales numbers.

Yes, but releasing a game in the holidays does not necessarily mean higher lifetime sales. Mass Effect 2 is a perfect example of this, and I'm sure LBP2 and Dead Space 2 will also do the same.

This is why I expect GT5 to fall short of GT4 sales, wuite noticably too. Not only is it selling less week 1, despite black friday in US, and Holiday sales boosting stutus, but week 2 in EMEAA and Japan are A LOT weaker then week 2 for GT4.

GT5 is tracking below GT4 in EMEAA in Week 2 by around 20,000 ... that's not alot. Japan I agree with though.

No in EMEAA it's not by a lot, but you have to factor in the boost in initial sales due to the holiday window.

Even then, if GT5 sales on par with GT4 in EMEAA, it's still crashing in Americas and Japan, so the game will probably not break 9 million sales. That is unless they do extensive bundling in Americas (it's already extensivly bundled with the blue PS3 in Japan).



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Michael-5 on 10 December 2010
pezus said:
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


You do realize NPD only tracks the US, yes?

Do you realize thats entirely false? 87% of Americas sales are US, the other 13% is Canada and South America.



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ethomaz on 10 December 2010
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


You do realize NPD only tracks the US, yes?

Do you realize thats entirely false? 87% of Americas sales are US, the other 13% is Canada and South America.

470 - 13% = 408k? And there are GT5 bundles in US not tracked by NPD.



Michael-5 on 10 December 2010
TheFogOfWar said:
DemOps said:
TheFogOfWar said:
DemOps said:

GT5's sales were terrible, Sony fans here should have kept their mouth shut when it came to predicting its sales, what were they like 10 million?

It only did 65,000 in Japan this week, itll never reach 1 million there now.

Id say people lacking common sense should keep their mouth shut.  2 freaking million is terrible, most games can't even dream of doing 2m life time.  GT5 did 2m on a botched launch. 

GT5 will get Japan sales through bundles, most knew that already.

Oh but didnt you know GT5 is gonna sell over 15 million remember, you know like how that 40 % of people voted on here. And that it was just as big as Call of Duty and that the PS3 was gonna have a 1 million week, and that GT5 is the PS3s answer to the Kinect this holiday.

Well no it and the PS3s sales in US were a utter failure, if Black Ops came out and had a week 1 of 2 million thatd be failure despite its numbers.

Launch numbers in no way reflect what GT5 will ultimately do.

Be sensible, NA numbers and Black friday.  Why would a new release that has no discount sale superbly on BF ? games that have their price cut in half get nice sales increases not full priced titles. 

Japan as a culture is pulling away from a automotive lyfestyle. 

GT5 fianl sales will depend on Europe, where it has already broken sale records in some nations there and also in new markets that have opened up and will be grown ME Asia SA.

Now Black Friday sales don't boost week 1 sales for GT5, well what about week 2? It's also about half GT4 numbers.

GT5 will sell fine in EMEAA, but with much weaker Americas and Japan regional sales, the game will not sell as well as prior installments. 7-10 million seems right IMO, but lets wait for more data, say 10 weeks?

I'm just not going to get into further debate, most of the people in this thread already agree with what I'm saying.



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Hyruken on 10 December 2010
pezus said:
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


You do realize NPD only tracks the US, yes?


Ah my bad, yeah our numbers are for americas.

Which seem about right then.



Michael-5 on 10 December 2010
ethomaz said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


You do realize NPD only tracks the US, yes?

Do you realize thats entirely false? 87% of Americas sales are US, the other 13% is Canada and South America.

470 - 13% = 408k? And there are GT5 bundles in US not tracked by NPD.

OH FIDDLESTICKS!, I missread NDP for VGChartz. SORRY!!

Yea, now I'm on track with you guys.

Also what GT5 bundles? The limited collectors edition PS3 with a signed faceplate? I live in Canada, so you guys may have had some bundles at Target or something, but other then that limited edition, I didn't see no bundles.



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ethomaz on 10 December 2010
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:

Gaf say GT5 sold 400k for november.

So we have it 70k overtracked here. Unless it did 70k bundles. Which you would think would be possible. But would mean a high number of that weeks console sales were the GT5 bundle.


You do realize NPD only tracks the US, yes?

Do you realize thats entirely false? 87% of Americas sales are US, the other 13% is Canada and South America.

470 - 13% = 408k? And there are GT5 bundles in US not tracked by NPD.

OH FIDDLESTICKS!, I missread NDP for VGChartz. SORRY!!

Yea, now I'm on track with you guys.

Also what GT5 bundles? The limited collectors edition PS3 with a signed faceplate? I live in Canada, so you guys may have had some bundles at Target or something, but other then that limited edition, I didn't see no bundles.

PS3 120GB GT5 Best Buy Bundle.



aznable on 10 December 2010
pezus said:

So...just like NSMBWii then? ;)


NSMBWii is heavy bundled and at least here in italy heavly advertised. i didnt wanted to say that a game that is realeased under the holidays will have bad sales, but the sales will be distribuited in a different way



TheFogOfWar on 10 December 2010
Michael-5 said:

Now Black Friday sales don't boost week 1 sales for GT5, well what about week 2? It's also about half GT4 numbers.

 

GT5 will sell fine in EMEAA, but with much weaker Americas and Japan regional sales, the game will not sell as well as prior installments. 7-10 million seems right IMO, but lets wait for more data, say 10 weeks?

I'm just not going to get into further debate, most of the people in this thread already agree with what I'm saying.

Most agreeing is not really ever a good sign, most though BF would be some big sales.  But how did anyone see a fully priced game selling great on the years biggest discount day ? makes no sense at all. 

Will sale the same, lower sales in NA and Japan will be of set by Europe.  Will happen becasue PS3s strongest marklet is the most pro GT.  Had NA and Japan took high majority of ww PS3 sales and left Europe in the dust it would have been catastrophic for GT sales.  

Just look at last week, Em whatever seriouly out sold NA/Japan.   This is wicked good for future GT sales.