ClaudeLv250 said: There's a difference between "having opinions against the Wii" and fanboy nonsense. I suggest you start distinguishing your arguments from said fanboy nonsense before complaining about intolerance.

 you truly believe what i have said is fanboy nonsense?

steverhcp02 said: The thing i cant stand is that people just are so intolerant of opinions against teh wii here. Boilermaker an dmyself both acknowledge the tremendous success of the wii. But just because the type of software (wii sports, wii play, waggle)isnt for us doesnt make us fanboys or stupid. SMG, Metroid, Zelda 3 big boys, great games 3 different genres.....but theres not a lot of depth, i think thats the argument. But that said it clearly doesnt matter because for people who enjoy wii sports, raving rabids, wario etc. those 3 games plus the other minigame centric titles make it tremendous.

You can have your opinion, but stop making stupid generalizations. There are more games on the Wii than just SMG, Metroid, and Zelda. Funny how you only mention first party games, like that's the only thing the Wii has. Third party support is better than ever. I've already played through, Call of Duty 3, Medal of Honor 2, RE4, Zack & Wiki, Tiger Woods 07, Madden 08, SSX Blur. So please don't tell me the Wii only has party games and lack depth, it's ridiculous.

 

steverhcp02 said: ClaudeLv250 said: There's a difference between "having opinions against the Wii" and fanboy nonsense. I suggest you start distinguishing your arguments from said fanboy nonsense before complaining about intolerance.  you truly believe what i have said is fanboy nonsense?

 A bit of it was, but no more than you would expect from any typical person. What really hurts you is that you are defending a fanboy which drags you down into the fanboy pit with him. Without the part defending boiler, you have a nice, mostly objective critic of the Wiis shortcomings.

A quick rebuttal of Don's post:

 

Sure, with its current success, it's easy to think that the Wii will always stay atop the list of the most popular video game consoles on the market. But at what point will everyone realize that the Wii is a fun device to play when a group of people are around, but quite boring when it's just you?

I think it has already happened with current Wii owners. A quick glance at October 2007 video game sales figures show that the Wii only holds two out of the top ten places with Guitar Hero III and Wii Play.

And if that means nothing else, it tells you one important fact about Wii owners -- they really only play a handful of games and don't bother to buy most of the games that are currently available for the console.

What we have here is a grade-A non sequitur. "Wii owners don't buy single-player games in droves; therefore, the Wii sucks for single player." See the leap in logic here?

Also, note that he's only talking about October - a month when, conveniently, very few strong single-player offerings were released for the Wii. How would he explain, for example, the excellent market performance of Metroid Prime 3 the month before, or Super Mario Galaxy the month after?

 

As I've said before, the Wii is a novelty device that doesn't have the long-term appeal that the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 do. Is it a fun console to use? Sure. Are there some good games? You bet. But is there enough of a software offering and downright appeal to entice gamers to buy a Wii over a Playstation 3? Right now, it does. But within the next year, look for Wii sales to slump as the PS3 continues to grow.

And he provides... what evidence for this? That's right: None. Maybe he's just assuming that all of us buy into the Sony Hype Machine just as much as he does, while simultaneously sticking our collective fingers in our ears when someone mentions, "hey, you know, there's always Smash Bros., and Mario Kart, and FF:CC, and..."

 

The Xbox 360 will take the day

...

Remember those October 2007 sales figures I mentioned? Well if you look at that list again, you'll find that the Xbox 360 accounted for three of those spots and was tied with the Playstation 2 for most games on the chart. By the way, the Playstation 3 didn't even make the cut.

Number of games sold during one month doesn't mean a thing, when the 360 had pretty much half of its strongest releases of the year (Halo 3, Orange Box, Guitar Hero 3) in or immediately before that month. As they say: "there are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

 Doesn't this analyst know that in the US alone, the Xbox 360 has sold more units than both the Wii and Playstation 3? And doesn't he know that in worldwide sales, the Playstation is still millions of units behind the Xbox 360?

More statistical fudging. While the second statement is true, the first just plain isn't, according to us here on VGChartz. And even if this site is in error, the statement "in the US alone" is misleading, as the US is the 360's strongest territory by far. Adding in Japan and Others puts the 360 in a... much less favorable light.

 

More than anything else, this is where Microsoft will be able to take the day. If developers prefer to create games on the Xbox 360 and they find that development on that console is most advantageous, what's the impetus for those same developers to create compelling titles on the Xbox 360? And while this industry is full of game porting, if you currently own an Xbox 360 and more and more games are ported to other consoles, why would you want to buy new hardware to play the same game you can already have on your current machine?

The first question proves nothing, since the industry standard for "HD games" seems to be pretty uniformally cross-platform: the vast majority of HD titles announced nowadays are either PS3/360 or PS3/360/PC. And the second question is just irrelevant to the discussion at hand, since people who currently own 360s aren't going to go out and buy another one.

 

And in the end, the tried and true trend in gaming will still be true: innovation and advanced technology are great, but it's the games that matter. And when it comes to the variety and appeal of games, Microsoft commands the market.

...except in the case of Japanese-developed games. Or casual games. Or, well, anything but Western action games.

 

Frankly, I can't believe this analyst gets paid for this crap. A mentally-handicapped fifth grader could effectively rebut this guy. 

dschumm said: I call BINGO

You win this thread.




...sorry, I got hungry...

Reisinger isn't a fanboy. He's a CNET employee. CNET has a vested interest in the most powerful console winning. They thrive off of tech whores and system spec geeks. If something like the Wii wins CNET traffic goes wayyyy down. Of course Reisinger refuses to accept the Wii as a success. You might as well ask Sony to admit the Wii will win.

so i can keep tack of the post----*********

He thinks the 360 will win?! Everyone I know thinks that the 360 is... boring. As do I. There are only so many 13 year old North American males, and they only have so many bucks after all...

boilermaker11 said: It's not fanboy nonsense, it's the truth. Isn't the attach ratio for the Wii lower than the PS3? How many articles have been floating around the internet that basically say "The Wii sells a lot of hardware, but the people aren't playing the games"? If it had a "proven library" then it'd have an attach ratio closer to the 360. That is fact. Mario and Zelda =/= oustanding library

 

The attach ratio doesn't matter to developers, only the total software sold. And Wii sells more software.

Lets do a scenario: It is Christmas 08 and 50 million Wiis have been sold and only 20 million PS3s.

A developer can expect attach ratio of 20% on PS3 and 10% on Wii, which console does the developer make the game for?

50 million * 10% = 5 million sold on Wii

20 million * 20% = 4 million sold on PS3

 Point proven. And it doesn't even take into account it would cost half as much to make the game for the Wii rather than PS3.

mancandy said: steverhcp02 said: The thing i cant stand is that people just are so intolerant of opinions against teh wii here. Boilermaker an dmyself both acknowledge the tremendous success of the wii. But just because the type of software (wii sports, wii play, waggle)isnt for us doesnt make us fanboys or stupid. SMG, Metroid, Zelda 3 big boys, great games 3 different genres.....but theres not a lot of depth, i think thats the argument. But that said it clearly doesnt matter because for people who enjoy wii sports, raving rabids, wario etc. those 3 games plus the other minigame centric titles make it tremendous. You can have your opinion, but stop making stupid generalizations. There are more games on the Wii than just SMG, Metroid, and Zelda. Funny how you only mention first party games, like that's the only thing the Wii has. Third party support is better than ever. I've already played through, Call of Duty 3, Medal of Honor 2, RE4, Zack & Wiki, Tiger Woods 07, Madden 08, SSX Blur. So please don't tell me the Wii only has party games and lack depth, it's ridiculous.

 well YOU may have played through them but as per sales they really arent tearing up the charts. My point was theres those MASSIVE awesome games in their selective genres that i mentioned (you can probably throw RE4 in there too, imo) and i never really said much about 3rd party support at all, not sure why youre talking about that. And the fact i mentioned the big daddies and they were all 1st party games isnt a bad thing at all, Nintendo can rely on those games forever, they are nintendo, correlation of a product with great games is WHY nintendo is nintendo. for every COD 3 or Medal of honor on wii we have, darkness,COD 4, COD3, Orange Box, timeshift, UT3, resistance, rainbow 6, medal of honor, blacksite, jericho, ghost recon, fear, soldier of fortune.........wii has red steel, far cry, cod 3, medal of honor, metroid........theres not as much depth there sure, metroid may trump MANY if not all of the PS3 games, but for the systems being alive essentially the same time there just isnt as much depth.

2K sports games, The Show, NBA 07 and 08 theres more sporting options as well. As i said the top is magnificent, but the wii software lineup is just saturated with rushed waggle games more than anything......but as i said, the games that devs seem to take their time on IE: Zelda, Galaxy, Metroid, Brawl, Mario Kart the meat and potatos is top notch and could go head to head with ANY game from any system.......but because of the wiis innovation and overnight success (please dont confuse with fad it just took many people an dmost likely devs by storm), many of the lower tier or mediocre games have not been great, imo they are muddled in a sea of similarity and, how "often can i open a jar or chop a tree with my wiimote before i cry" type of feeling.