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Carl on 15 November 2010

So they say to take caution on our polled numbers, and we must rely on NPD's polled numbers.

Okay.



                            

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ramses01 on 15 November 2010

The MS comment was not that bad.  MS is justifiably concerned about "non-official" numbers floating about regardless of their accuracy as they could potentially impact any number of things.



damndl0ser on 15 November 2010
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.


I personally think VGChartz is fairly accurate, and it doesn't matter if they are off as long as they make a good logical effort.  And why do you care if Microsoft makes a mistake ("look like a fool")?


Where exactly did I say that I gave a damn if Microsoft made a mistake?  I just said their not going to say something like that unless they have some sort of proof its wrong and that I would take their numbers instead.   Why are you in every thread that has anything to do with Kinect sense your so against it?   And why is it your personal mission to contradict every poster that has a differing opinion than you? 

By the way, I also think VGChartz does a hell of a job or I wouldn't be here.  Just because I simply disagree with their current Kinect numbers means jack shit.  I still love the site and will continue to frequent it as long as its here.



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Jordahn on 15 November 2010
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.


I personally think VGChartz is fairly accurate, and it doesn't matter if they are off as long as they make a good logical effort.  And why do you care if Microsoft makes a mistake ("look like a fool")?


Where exactly did I say that I gave a damn if Microsoft made a mistake?  I just said their not going to say something like that unless they have some sort of proof its wrong and that I would take their numbers instead.   Why are you in every thread that has anything to do with Kinect sense your so against it?   And why is it your personal mission to contradict every poster that has a differing opinion than you? 

By the way, I also think VGChartz does a hell of a job or I wouldn't be here.  Just because I simply disagree with their current Kinect numbers means jack shit.  I still love the site and will continue to frequent it as long as its here.


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damndl0ser on 15 November 2010
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.


I personally think VGChartz is fairly accurate, and it doesn't matter if they are off as long as they make a good logical effort.  And why do you care if Microsoft makes a mistake ("look like a fool")?


Where exactly did I say that I gave a damn if Microsoft made a mistake?  I just said their not going to say something like that unless they have some sort of proof its wrong and that I would take their numbers instead.   Why are you in every thread that has anything to do with Kinect sense your so against it?   And why is it your personal mission to contradict every poster that has a differing opinion than you? 

By the way, I also think VGChartz does a hell of a job or I wouldn't be here.  Just because I simply disagree with their current Kinect numbers means jack shit.  I still love the site and will continue to frequent it as long as its here.


Microsoft ROOLZ!!!  KinECT da BOMZZE!!!  Okay...?


Yet another lame attempt to deflect an answer.  Good going I expect nothing more from you at this point.



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fallen on 15 November 2010
Jordahn said:
TRios_Zen said:
Jordahn said:

So we are to NOT believe VGChartz's numbers, but we are to believe that is costs less than $60 to make one Kinect unit?

When did Microsoft endorse the site that estimated the costs of Kinect?  I honestly missed that.


They didn't, but they certainly didn't denounce it, leading some to believe the sub $60 while adamately downplaying VGChartz's numbers.


Huh? You are aware that so called "teardowns" are a technology staple? Everything from the Apple products to consoles gets a "teardown" by one or more sites that specialize in these things. They estimate the BOM of say, the iPhone, and every other notable gadget.

Who would think a teardown report was some kind of Microsoft conspiracy???

 

Besides, these teardwons only contain a BOM, or bill of materials. They dont include labor, R&D, shipping and distribution, marketing, and other costs of a product. All they do is look at the components, and make an educated guess at the cost of the materials in the device.

It's fair to say on a BOM basis, Kinect is nicely profitable. But once you figure in R&D, and the supposed 500 million marketing budget, the picture becomes muddier.

 

 



Kasz216 on 15 November 2010
Carl2291 said:

So they say to take caution on our polled numbers, and we must rely on NPD's polled numbers.

Okay.


That's what makes it funny.



Mr Khan on 15 November 2010

We must've hurt Greenberg's pride on twitter



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Squilliam on 15 November 2010
Mummelmann said:
Squilliam said:

Well when they release their sales numbers and they are proved to be completely different I will take their word on it.


I'll laugh my ass off if the numbers correspond well.

Im sure when they do they'll release their 'sell to' rather than 'sell through retail' numbers because the former is bigger than the latter and then we have to make guessing games as to how many units of Kinect are actually sold.



Tease.

Jordahn on 15 November 2010
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.


I personally think VGChartz is fairly accurate, and it doesn't matter if they are off as long as they make a good logical effort.  And why do you care if Microsoft makes a mistake ("look like a fool")?


Where exactly did I say that I gave a damn if Microsoft made a mistake?  I just said their not going to say something like that unless they have some sort of proof its wrong and that I would take their numbers instead.   Why are you in every thread that has anything to do with Kinect sense your so against it?   And why is it your personal mission to contradict every poster that has a differing opinion than you? 

By the way, I also think VGChartz does a hell of a job or I wouldn't be here.  Just because I simply disagree with their current Kinect numbers means jack shit.  I still love the site and will continue to frequent it as long as its here.


Microsoft ROOLZ!!!  KinECT da BOMZZE!!!  Okay...?


Yet another lame attempt to deflect an answer.  Good going I expect nothing more from you at this point.

We'll you were making a lot of false accusations, and I was just asking a few legit questions.  There was really no need for you to get so defensive.  Since you had to make false accusations of me, maybe I can accuse you of deflecting question, but I didn't.  You need to learn to calm down just because everyone doesn't live in your world.  That's life.



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