Forums - Sales Discussion - Microsoft: VGChartz uses "polling based methods" to track sales

jarrod said:
Kasz216 said:

Er... considering that NPD and their internal trackers are also just polling retailers... I fail to see the difference.

Outside of sample size anyway.

NPD also includes consumer side tracking (ie: polling) in their methodology.  In fact, that's specifically how they cover Wal-mart and Sam's Club.

Hell, NPD had a registered polling base of 1.8m.  They tout it on their site even.

True.  By "just"I didn't meant that was all they were doing, I meant that it was the exact same thing.  In otherwords that THEY are polling as well.



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damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


if VGC's numbers were "seriously fucked" then they would release "real" numbers or at indicate that VGCs is specifically too low their initial findings.  instead all they do is try to discredit them without any effort to correct them.

i'm really thinking that VGC is within reason and MS just doesn't want anyone to have access to real numbers.  afterall, they are trying to run an ad campain that makes kinect look like the most wanted product ever for this holiday.  Can't do that if consumers have facts to compare the marketing BS to.



damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?



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M.U.G.E.N said:

why don't they at least wait until the numbers come out from NPD etc to say this bs?


I am certain they have an in house team that can give a very detailed accounting of whats going out.  So if its way the F off, why not comment on it if your them?  I am not saying VGChartz is, but thats what MS is basically saying.  



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Looks like Aarron G is very upset and has told M$ that VGC is making up the numbers...  Awwww Poor Kinect is too precious and they don't want anyone touching it :(



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damndl0ser said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

why don't they at least wait until the numbers come out from NPD etc to say this bs?


I am certain they have an in house team that can give a very detailed accounting of whats going out.  So if its way the F off, why not comment on it if your them?  I am not saying VGChartz is, but thats what MS is basically saying.  


That I don't have a problem with, but it's the way they are saying it is what bugs me

all they had to do was say something in the lines of, we do not comment on these numbers, we advice people to wait for the official release by NPD' or something....then when those numbers come out we can see if VGC are under/over tracking...I just think these statements aren't needed tbh that's all



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Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
damndl0ser said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

why don't they at least wait until the numbers come out from NPD etc to say this bs?


I am certain they have an in house team that can give a very detailed accounting of whats going out.  So if its way the F off, why not comment on it if your them?  I am not saying VGChartz is, but thats what MS is basically saying.  


That I don't have a problem with, but it's the way they are saying it is what bugs me

all they had to do was say something in the lines of, we do not comment on these numbers, we advice people to wait for the official release by NPD' or something....then when those numbers come out we can see if VGC are under/over tracking...I just think these statements aren't needed tbh that's all

Personally I don't care if the numbers are off 600k or more, I agree with you it would have been better for MS to STFU.  But VGChartz should be happy, any press is good press if you ask me.  I would bet they get more traffic now than even before.  



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Why would it matter anyway,  wouldnt the numbers they release be shipped to retailers?



damndl0ser said:
Jordahn said:
damndl0ser said:

To everyone talking shit at this announcement, just wait and we will see.  Either MS will be eating the crow or you will be one?  I for one think the numbers must be seriously fucked or they wouldn't comment about them so I will wait and see and possibly be wrong too.  I guess time will tell, but I will take their numbers over anyone elses, because instead of dozens or hundreds (at best) of polling they have thousands and tens of thousands....  

 

Long story short, wait and see.....


So you're siding with Microsoft?


I said I would take a wait and see, but I do come to a conclusion that our numbers are off or they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the numbers.  To those saying they are running this big budget add campaign, yes they are.  But they aren't going to make theirselves look like a fool just to undermine it.  Other than people like us who are interested in numbers the every day public has no idea what VGChartz is or what it does.  So even if the numbers are 100% on track the average Joe would still have little to no idea that it wasn't the sales beast MS says it is.  Meaning MS has no reason to diss our numbers other than them being off.


I personally think VGChartz is fairly accurate, and it doesn't matter if they are off as long as they make a good logical effort.  And why do you care if Microsoft makes a mistake ("look like a fool")?



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