but BOTH of you seem to either ignor or stay blind to the fact the the majority of the DS market DON'T pirate games and the VAST majority of the psp market do.........

And you prove that how?

No one's ignoring that, though I don't think we have the figures to say conclusively.  DS piracy is basically "mainstream" at this point, and it could also very easily be the "majority" at this point.

Even if true though, that doesn't mean there's more PSP piracy than DS piracy either, and more importantly high piracy doesn't inherently preclude a legitimate software market.  That's my point, that DS still manages a somewhat healthy software market despite huge piracy during it's active lifespan.  So did PS1, so did PS2, so did GBA, so did Xbox, so does Wii.  Just because PSP is plagued by piracy, doesn't mean that alone should cripple software sales, the issues really run deeper than that...

It's impossible to explain to someone who refuse to listen, though.

Jesus fucking Christ, had a whole response to that, and it got deleted......twice, 

so here we go again....

 the DS has TWICE the install base as the psp, so for every one person the pirates it's a safe bet that there's one that doesn't, the psp only has that one person who pirates,  now why is that.......

you know how when obnoxious Nintendo fans would say how everyone in the industry predicted the psp to beat the DS, well they were right, but that is because the industry blindly only looked at the two handhelds from the hardcore perspective, and in that light the psp had all the advantages, but industry beliefs=/= world as everyone soon found out. See the fact is, NO ONE will ever touch Nintendo in the handheld market without the casual market, they have to work the casual market and do it better than Nintendo who has how much experience at this?? you see my point. And it's not psp fault the console didn't garner the casual 'non pirate' market, the fault lies with Sony who, till this day, markets the psp as the "hardcore handheld" and without that casual market the psp can never compete, this is something Sony just doesn't understand.........or do they

with the recent confirmation of the psp phone and Sony themselves saying they will use that as the answer for the casual market (which is ironic seeing how they trashed the iphone for doing the same thing), so I see them continuing the psp as the definitive hardcore handheld and focus the casual content on the psp phone, so maybe the psp2 won't even try to compete with the 3DS. 60 million units is more than enough to have a success, now if Sony can eliminate the piracy on the console as they have done with the ps3 and further improve the psp design to cater to the hardcore even more ala dual analog, HD screen, robust online etc, they can have a successful console with comparable software sales, which I would buy over the 3DS any day, and Sony got massive 3rd party support when they had no previous console ever on the market so the thought that they can't secure games and support is really...... really....... silly.

but it's all left to be seen, future can hold anything, how many of you Nintendo fans thought the wii would do as well as it did, so please never underestimate anything.

I know...how about Mario...oh wait...Pokemon....opps...I know Smash Bros?

I somehow don't mind that the DS sold much more than the PSP. I have both handhelds and the PSP is the clear Winner for me. Kingdom Hearts Birth by sleep, Final Fantasy Dissidia and Crisis Core blew me away. The DS Games (FF 12 Revenant Wings, Tactics Advance 2, etc) were also good games, but the PSP games with its technical advantages felt much more intense for me.

After I have finished KH BBS I will try out DQ 9. But every time I buy a Square Game for the DS  I think I would rather have it for the PSP, since the storytelling could take advantage of better graphics, cutscenes and voice acting.

I might be wrong, but I think the PSP2 will also be more powerful than the 3DS. So if the 3rd-party-support is still strong with the psp2, it will be my winner. But since the next Kingdom Hearts is already heading for the 3DS I will have to buy it anyway.

Sometimes I wonder, when I see people discussing sales figures of the DS and PSP, what they would choose if the next game of their favourite franchise (KH, Metal Gear, Resident Evil, etc) would head either to PSP or DS (and they own both of them). My clear answer would be PSP. There are games like TWEWY which benefit from the DS controls, but regarding storytelling there is a huge gap in favour of the PSP. I just can't see KH BBS, FF7 CC or Dissidia for the DS.

Maybe. But I expect if they wen't with android it would be a modified version of android, which is entirely within the scope of the android ecosystem. It would have a new DRM scheme build into it and no doubt SONY would be constantly updating it to close new security holes. I also bet it would _not_ include the normal android marketplace.

Hey!  I made a similar thread a little while back and I didn't get half the replies!!  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=116467

Now, I realize that I suck at making serious threads.  I'm being typecast!! I guess I'll stick to making "Pornify the _____ above you" threads.

Sony has already proven to be slow at android updates. Adding yet another layer of customization would only make it worse.