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Lostplanet22 said:
kowenicki said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
non-gravity said:

The Japanese slaughtered more than enough people to warrant those nukes


but the majority of the dead of the A bomb were civilians not japanese soldiers.



So were the majority of the hundreds of thousands Chinese men, women and children murdered and raped by Japanese soldiers... be under no illusion...  the Japanese were blood thirsty lunatics in the run up to and during world war 2.

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/Nanking_Massacre_Photo_Group_One.html

Dont check out the above site if squeemish!!!!


What you are saying is that when someone murders someone we should murder his daughter?

Yeah sorry I am confused...

You can't compare a country of 100 million people to a single man. The country does something, you punish the country. But again, the atomic bombs weren't punishment; war is war. The atomic bombs were a means of forcing Japan to surrender. Not ideal, but the best America could have done, given the circumstances. Do remember that they had no idea what this bomb did, except cause a massive explosion. Which is why they never used it again.



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Dunno if anyone has said this in pages 2 and 3, but...

a) If Hiroshima was such an important base why did it not get bombed at all when most other cities were firebombed?

b) There is plenty of evidence (and was known at the time) that the Japanese were talking about surrendering. There would have not been a need for a full-scale invasion... only an insane faction of the Japanese government wanted to fight on - still trying to get over the poster (non-gravity) that said it was fine because Japanese had killed and bombed themselves - in that case 9/11 was fine... which of course it wasn't.

c) Revisionist histories focus on the need to keep the Soviets out (and to demonstrate US power to those same awkward 'reds')

It's a bit of an orthodoxy to say it saved lives...

I'll check out the rest of the pages now.



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forest-spirit said:

Of course it's a crime. Massacring hundreds of thousands is a severe crime no matter your intentions.


You mean like how Japan killed 17 million Chinese civilians in their invasion of China in WWII?

Source:

(http://www.japan-101.com/history/sino1.htm)



Kantor said:
Lostplanet22 said:
kowenicki said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
non-gravity said:

The Japanese slaughtered more than enough people to warrant those nukes


but the majority of the dead of the A bomb were civilians not japanese soldiers.



So were the majority of the hundreds of thousands Chinese men, women and children murdered and raped by Japanese soldiers... be under no illusion...  the Japanese were blood thirsty lunatics in the run up to and during world war 2.

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/Nanking_Massacre_Photo_Group_One.html

Dont check out the above site if squeemish!!!!


What you are saying is that when someone murders someone we should murder his daughter?

Yeah sorry I am confused...

You can't compare a country of 100 million people to a single man. The country does something, you punish the country. But again, the atomic bombs weren't punishment; war is war. The atomic bombs were a means of forcing Japan to surrender. Not ideal, but the best America could have done, given the circumstances. Do remember that they had no idea what this bomb did, except cause a massive explosion. Which is why they never used it again.

it doesnt matter if you kill person or 100 thounds, you would still be a murderer. just 1 life is unique and irreplaceable



kowenicki said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
non-gravity said:

The Japanese slaughtered more than enough people to warrant those nukes


but the majority of the dead of the A bomb were civilians not japanese soldiers.



So were the majority of the hundreds of thousands Chinese men, women and children murdered and raped by Japanese soldiers... be under no illusion...  the Japanese were blood thirsty lunatics in the run up to and during world war 2.

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/Nanking_Massacre_Photo_Group_One.html

Dont check out the above site if squeemish!!!!

All of the Japanese?

You could say that about any army. Just look at how Vietnam went or the recent war in Iraq. Anyone with a brain knows that people joining the army are going to be affected by the fact that they are killing people.

The Japanese are no different that any other people. Problem is winners get to fire out the long-lasting propaganda about their victory and about their enemies behaviour.



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Casualties of the 2 atomic bombs - About 200,000

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

 

Chinese civilians killed by the Japanese during Japan's invasions of China during WWII - About 17 million

http://www.japan-101.com/history/sino1.htm

 

 

I don't feel bad at all for Japan. They killed so many civilians. Out of those 17 million chinese they killed it says 10 million or so were collateral damage of military operations which is understanble to some extent, but the other 7 million were basically murdered in non-military operations.



raptors11 said:
forest-spirit said:

Of course it's a crime. Massacring hundreds of thousands is a severe crime no matter your intentions.


You mean like how Japan killed 17 million Chinese civilians in their invasion of China in WWII?

Source:

(http://www.japan-101.com/history/sino1.htm)

you´re trying to justify horror with horror, the japanese were terrible but that doesnt mean that the innocent need to pay. and I´m fully aware of what the japanese did.



If they were so persuaded it was totally necessary to show the Japanese their potential of mass destruction, they could have bombed the industrial zones instead of the residential ones, the deaths could have been a fraction of how many they actually were, particularly amongst the old, women and children, maintaining the same deterrent power.



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hallowedbeeddie said:
Kantor said:
Lostplanet22 said:
kowenicki said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
non-gravity said:

The Japanese slaughtered more than enough people to warrant those nukes


but the majority of the dead of the A bomb were civilians not japanese soldiers.



So were the majority of the hundreds of thousands Chinese men, women and children murdered and raped by Japanese soldiers... be under no illusion...  the Japanese were blood thirsty lunatics in the run up to and during world war 2.

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/Nanking_Massacre_Photo_Group_One.html

Dont check out the above site if squeemish!!!!


What you are saying is that when someone murders someone we should murder his daughter?

Yeah sorry I am confused...

You can't compare a country of 100 million people to a single man. The country does something, you punish the country. But again, the atomic bombs weren't punishment; war is war. The atomic bombs were a means of forcing Japan to surrender. Not ideal, but the best America could have done, given the circumstances. Do remember that they had no idea what this bomb did, except cause a massive explosion. Which is why they never used it again.

it doesnt matter if you kill person or 100 thounds, you would still be a murderer. just 1 life is unique and irreplaceable

Also, punishing a country is stupid because thousands of those people are innocent (possibly even voting/protesting being against the government that is making the war). Countries should not punishable as they are just a concept made of millions of human actions which are not unified, but contrary and manifold. I am not responsible for the British entry into Iraq, but some people would punish me (as part of the country) for it. These are stupid people.

 



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pezus said:
raptors11 said:
forest-spirit said:

Of course it's a crime. Massacring hundreds of thousands is a severe crime no matter your intentions.


You mean like how Japan killed 17 million Chinese civilians in their invasion of China in WWII?

Source:

(http://www.japan-101.com/history/sino1.htm)

Does that make it okay for the US to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and affect future generations (radioactivity)?

NO it doesn't!!!! I still think we should stop this mudslinging and get back to the original discussion. 

 

btw the effects of the radioactivity and the discrimination of the people who survived the bombings are truthfully terrible but it was something that was till then unknown (doesn't mean America shouldn't take responsibility).