I agree, hopefully they can fix make the 2nd one better.

I'll second this question and add the stipulation "besides the graphics on the consoles."

Oh many many things.

I started off really liking because I was so hyped for it, I mean after Oblivion it seemed like it was gonna be my fav WRPG of the gen. But then when I got mid way through the game I realized the story was extremely cliched, I didn't like a single character except maybe Morrigan and the battle system was just boring.

And it wasn't really an open world game either like Oblivion, so its hard to excuse a boring battle system and a meh story (while in Oblivion I could somewhat excuse the story due to the open world nature of the game).

The story seemed like a mish mash of 10 cheap fantasy novels, Alistair should be hanged and the gameplay was boring. See I haven't even said anything about the graphics yet, there's no need to because they weren't as bad as everyone said and I am fine with playing DS RPG's so didn't care that much.

On the other in ME1/ME2, the story was so EPIC and I cared about those Characters, I mean you have characters like Mordin Solus in the ME series, what do you have in Dragon Age? That big troll thing who isn't really fun to talk to anyway?

When I play a Bioware RPG I expect not only one of the best WRPG's of the gen but one of the best RPG's of the generation, thats what I got with KOTOR back in the day, thats what I got with ME1 and ME2. But Dragon Age was shockingly mediocre compared to the studio's past efforts, hence disappointing. Not a bad game, just not worthy of Bioware though.

Oblivion remains my WRPG of the gen, and with Elder Scrolls V possibly coming out next year Bioware better improve this by a lot!

The battle system is boring? It's a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. What were you expecting it to be like? How was this boring compared to Mass "Run, Gun, Cover, Repeat" Effect? IMO Dragon Age's battle system is way ahead of Mass Effect's. The simple fact that there is friendly fire and you can mix spells together puts it ahead. And on the PC it's even better.

I find it hard to grasp you complain about it not being an open-world game, yet in the same post you give a thumbs up to Mass Effect.

Morrigan is awesome. And you liked Mordin but didn't like the constant banter between whatever people you have in your group? If you had Alistair and Morrigan in your group the little arguements and them both taking the piss out of eachother was awesome. Having Morrigan and Sten in your party was even better! And what big troll thing? You didn't get a troll... And again, I love how you complain about the characters in Dragon Age, when Oblivion obviously had the most interesting cast ever!

IMO... Your opinion on WRPG's sucks.

Oblivion has an average battle system (although plenty of variety), terrible characters, a terrible storyline and an excellent world.

Mass Effect has an average battle system, good characters, a great storyline and a great (but boring) "world".

Mass Effect 2 has an average battle system, great characters, great storyline and a great "world" (although unlike ME1 you can no longer explore it).

Dragon Age has an average battle system, great characters, good storyline and a good world. Yes, it's pretty average... But in reality if you look at it the way you do, then so are Oblivion and Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Knights of the Old Republic I refuse to comment on.
Knights of the Old Republic 2 gets the same treatment.

Did you ever play any Bioware games before KoToR?

Dragon Age is very much an old school RPG and caters greatly to the tastes of PC RPG players from the late 90s. It's very much like Baldurs Gate rather than Bioware's modern games, which isn't that suprising since it was > 5 yrs in the making.

As for the characters, I thought they were quite entertaining, just as much as Mass Effects tbh. The troll character (I assume you mean Sten) is meant to represent a very different culture and he's there to challenge the player in understanding him and getting his back story. And what about Zevran? That little gay elf killer was both disturbing and hilarious!

I agree the story was cliched though I think that was partly on purpose as it was the first fantasy world they'd created (before Mass Effect's). There is still a lot to cover for future games as they spent nearly 2 yrs of development solely on Dragon Age world and lore.

Yes the battle system is boring.

Target selection is infuriatingly vague and a lot of it is according to where your character is facing. Using the reticule in the radial menu only marginally helps. Trying to select foe's accross battlefields is a mess, it should be intuitive, but its not. 

 The battle system doesn't really introduce anything really new, nothing felt fresh, the AI thingy was like gambits {shudders} and its not like the graphics were amazing to make battles a spectacle on scene. You see there is a reason Bioware is doing massive changes to it in Dragon Age 2.....

Now Mass Effect on the other hand, the 1st one's battle system did have its problems, but the 2nd one's battle system played as an amazing third person shooter which is infinetly more fun that the Dragon Age System.

Oblivion.....the gameplay was pretty simple, casting spells was fun. Again simple but fun, Dragon Age wasn't fun, depth doesn't always translate to fun.

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Next characters. Don't compare Mordin Solus to the banter that goes on in the team because you clearly didn't understand why I liked Mordin then......Mordin Solus is awesome because of the way he speaks and the cool information he give you about his species and what he is researching. The world of Mass Effect which you call boring was actually spectacularly done and it has interesting characters, ones I want to find out about. Dragon Age had none of that.

"Banter" in the team was amusing, but it got boring, quick.

I got attached to each and every person in my crew in Mass Effect, I felt bad when some of them died on the suicide mission, I remembered awesome times I had with the people that died. In Dragon Age I didn't care what happened to anyone except again, Morrigan.

In Oblivion the cast didn't matter because you didn't even have one, so how can I say thats a bad thing about Oblivion when the game wasn't meant to be played like that?

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Next world.

No you cannot explore the worlds in ME1/2 that much but you can't in Dragon Age either. I have read the datalog of both Mass Effect 1/2 and Dragon Age......the world of Mass effect is done so much better. Its full of interesting locales, there's even a planet with a bullet hole through it in that galaxy, it just goes to show how deep the games lore is, I WANT to find out about all those thing in Mass Effect.

With dragon age the world just wasn't interesting, most of it felt like it had been done before, there was no interest, the lore of the game was pretty dull compared to ME1/2.

Oblivion next.....the world here was done excellently, you feel like you are there and if you join all the guilds you find out interesting things about the world. The Dark Brotherhood story arc alone was more interesting that Dragon Age itself. Almost everything in Oblivion except the main story was well done, but we can excuse it for that because the other parts of the game are unmatched.

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Oblivion has an good battle system,decent characters (though that was not its focus), a decent main storyline, FANTASTIC Dark Brotherhood and side mission storylines and an excellent world.

Mass Effect has an average battle system, amazing characters, a great storyline and a very well done world full of interesting planets and people.

Mass Effect 2 has an amazing battle system, awesome characters, good storyline and a Mindblowing world full of so many interesting events that I want to know more about.

Dragon Age has an boring battle system, bad characters (except morrigan), average storyline and a average world. 

So no Dragon Age is worse than Oblivion, ME1/2 still and Bioware's worst. Calling someones opinion on a genre bad due to difference in opinion does nothing but show you didn't have any more arguments to put forward, it harmed your argument, it didn't add credence to it. 

And why do you refuse to comment on KOTOR? 

No I haven't played a Bioware WRPG before KOTOR. I am new to WRPG's, KOTOR was my first one, then it was Oblivion. I am not a  late 90's WRPG player.

And the characters you mentioned, Zevran, he was the other good one, but not funny, Mordin Solus is funnier. The Mass Effect characters were far more interesting and had much much better back stories.......they had compelling back stories, I mean the assassin from ME2, his back stories that he used to tell you were so awesome, the way his species can REMEMBER any moment thats taken place in a photographic way, THATS an awesome and interesting back story......not the ones in Dragon Age. Not to mention the world of Mass Effect was awe-inspiring especially some of the things I've read up on ME2 in its datalog.

There may be more to cover in future games and Bioware is taking correct steps by getting rid of that boring battle system. This kind of game isn't what I expected from Bioware!

You need to play it on PC. It's far superior to the console version simply because of the top-down view. That's all I'm going to say about your complaints there. They are changing the battle system because of the console crowd, and the fact that the console versions have outsold the PC version. On the PC, the battle system has pretty much no flaws, although I can see why you dislike it if you've only played it on consoles. But if you think having to work out some complex strategies is boring in battle then, well... I don't know what to say. You just adopt a Vanguard strategy and run in with a shotgun...

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Sten could be matched up pretty well to Mordin then come to think about it. He's reluctant to talk to you about his people at first but then when he starts to trust you, he opens up more. He tells you about his people and the ways they have. Maybe not as complex as Mordin, but you still have that history. Same goes for Leilana. She tells you about her past and how life was in Orlais . Infact, you learn a whole bunch of stuff from each and every character. I'm also going to say that characters have a different opinion on you depending on your race/class. Something Mass Effect doesn't really have, while Oblivion does.

And you have a cast in Oblivion. You don't have a group travelling with you... But you DO have a cast. And pretty much every character you meet is emotionless. Literally hundreds of characters who are all stone faced and lack any sort of depth in story or voice. The fact that you say it doesn't have a cast of characters says all that's needed to be said.

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Mass Effect's world has been created over the span of 3 Games, 3 Novels and 3 Comics. Dragon Age has so far had 1 single game, 2 Novels and 1 comic. Of course the world isn't going to be as complex to look at or read about. But when you're actually playing... You can go to many more places. Not just "scan" for minerals like in the case of Mass Effect 2. You can enter random homes, do numerous sidequests, pickpocket an entire marketplace... Etc. There's plenty of things to do, and plenty of choices that affect the game, the final battle and how people interact with you throughout the game.

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Your round-up.

I simply think your opinion on WRPG's sucks.

And KotoR is pointless in this topic as it's probably only second to Baldur's Gate... And was a last gen game.

Guys, guys

How about that Dragon Age 2, huh

Looks mighty sweet

This is a thread about how awesome Dragon Age: Origins is, don't you DARE try to take it off topi-

Oh.

I agree!